He heee heeeeee!

[elmacgyver0]

Get your self a cheap HF Mig welder the kind that uses gas. I use Stargon gas mix from Praxair. Works great, If I can weld with it you will have no problem. I have not tried this yet but have heard from good sources that if you cold blue it after parkerizing then oil the hell outa it, the welds will all but disappear. If it is not satisfactory the park will give a good base for any paint type finish to stick to, of course after degreasing.

[phillip]

!dig it!

[bigblock]

Im more interested in the semi parts. Im hoping someone figures it out. Im assuming its all got to be in the receiver and spade grip assembly.

[FireControlman]

Originally Posted by bigblock

Im more interested in the semi parts. Im hoping someone figures it out. Im assuming its all got to be in the receiver and spade grip assembly.

I'm not sure what your question is exactly here, but there are two known semi designs out there that I know of, one of which, is approved.

Excuse me if I'm off base here, I'm trying to get back up to speed as well.





I have a kit from a weaponeer group purchase in 06-07 timeframe.

***Correction 2003-2004 Group Buy

[bmg17a1]

What you have there is an unregistered MG. As you must well know, it is illegal. Not a good idea to advertise it. Yeah, I know, blah, blah, blah....However, you don't know who sees this site and where that might lead. Please remove the picture from the site as it can potentially compromise the owners and users. Be smart about what you do with kits and who you show it to. We all lose when ATF finds easy reasons to make an example, and then make the laws more restrictive. You could be an example....

Bob Naess

[94ranger]

Is it considered illegal if its not assembled/welded up?

[FireControlman]

Originally Posted by bmg17a1

What you have there is an unregistered MG. As you must well know, it is illegal. Not a good idea to advertise it. Yeah, I know, blah, blah, blah....However, you don't know who sees this site and where that might lead. Please remove the picture from the site as it can potentially compromise the owners and users. Be smart about what you do with kits and who you show it to. We all lose when ATF finds easy reasons to make an example, and then make the laws more restrictive. You could be an example....

Bob Naess

Woah, have I been off the boards that long? That pic is a mocked up, rigged, parts kit, not assembled. Many guys have done this on various boards as part of prep work for a build. Please educate me if my knowledge base has expired with regard to current restrictions; however, the pic clearly shows is a receiver cut in at least three sections. That's exactly how everyone elses kit came in the previous group buys.


Why am I feeling like a newbie all over again?

[LostInTexas]

I may be wrong, but that is nothing more than a parts kit in that picture. Nothing has been re-attached since the demill so still non-functioning, demilled, parts. Just my humble opinion...

Now, BEFORE any welding is done, you should make the modification for semi-only. Again, this is BEFORE any re-welding be done.

[bmg17a1]

Yes, in ATF's eyes it is an assembled, complete receiver, regardless of how light the tack welds. All parts of the receiver are present and tacked together and fullauto internals are assembled. That constitutes a receiver, and the assembly creates an unregistered MG. Any one of you guys care to take it to Firearms Tech Branch and ask if it's OK??? Put your name on it and I'll give you the address of FTB. I communicate with them quite a bit.
Does "readily restorable' mean anything to you guys? That gun is already past the "readily restorable" stage and gaining ground. Add in constructive possession as well. These are not spurious observations, but can be backed up by quite a few stories about guys putting together semis at work or at home and someone reporting seeing them making an MG with the cops showing up, ATF called in, and the usual insanity of accusations and defense lasting at least a year and maybe some stuff being returned if the builder can prove that he is following the current law on semis. This gun is clearly not within the law, and the picture should be removed.
Think about why kits now require three diagonal torch cuts, removing at least 1/4' to 3/8" of material, and going through the barrel bearing. When I started fooling with MGs, one could register any MG with the feds, and for free. Then after '68, to register an MG it had to be "destroyed" first, with the receiver or controlled part cut in half, and rebuilt and registered. After '86, no more registration of MGs for private possession. By early ninties two cuts, with saw or torch, and remove at least an inch. By middle ninties two cuts and remove everything except endcap and trunnion and torched. By early 2000, three torch cuts required with removal of 1/4" material. Then add in diagonal torch cuts; then include torch cut through the barrel bearing; then no more SMG trunnions/barrel bearing; then no more barrels; barrels with three bore sized holes; nor more receiver parts. Get it? All this has to do with "readily restorable" IMO, and the more guys don't abide by the rules, the more restrictive the rules and the less stuff will be available or legal to possess or with which to build. Do you guys ever consider why theses rules have tightened up so much?
"Constructive possession" simply looks at basic intent. Does that gun look like the builder is attempting to comply with the semi regulations? Is that a semi receiver? Are those fullauto parts installed? Does the builder know what the legal definition and NFA definition is of an MG? Does the builder know that a receiver completed with the four parts of a kit constitutes an MG? Does the builder know what constitutes a semi receiver? Does he have an approval for the receiver in the picture? Plenty more questions can be asked. Answer any of the above with a yes, and the heat's on.
Despite the fact that semis are being built from MG receivers, they are still MG parts and subject to NFA regulations. Few of the semi guys really seem understand NFA regulations and how they apply to semis, and often way too many don't think they have to abide by them, or are dismissive of them.
I am a firm supporter of the semi MG industry and hobby, but foolish displays of illegal constructions does nobody any good and possibly may do a great deal of harm.
Do what you want, but don't advertise and display illegal projects, both to protect the site and to reduce misinformation about what is acceptable and legal. Keep Pogo's immortal words in mind: "we have met the enemy, and he is us"
Ask Big Block to remove that pic.

Bob Naess

[jeff47]

Maybe I'm missing something as well but according to the first post the parts are not welded together in any way, in fact he says he doesn't even know how to weld. Not tack welded lightly or otherwise. They're just completely non-attached individual pieces sitting on top of each other?