How do you get all the cool toys?Yes it will all depend upon what I find under the paint. But I would love one with the shields and early camouflage on it. I will be posting a thread shortly on the Mg08 I also purchased with it, it has the camo still on the barrel jacket.
I have not seen any that were blued under the paint. I have a Sled stripped right now and not one bit of bluing. I have not seen any in Dark grey either. There was an entire thread on Mg42.us about the proper paint colors. Goes from a bluish Grey early to a darker green late war. Camo is very rare on Sleds and I think most is post war applied. I have seen less than a handful of correct examples, of which I had one. Only about 20% camo left but was original with the rest being surface rust.strip the paint and call it a day. They are blued underneath and really require no additional paint other than to take down the sheen and camo them into the battle environment. All were painted dark gray AFAIK originally, then other colors were added depending on the environment later. Nice find!
If you have the opportunity could you post photos as you progress in your restoration of this mount?Just to make it clear, there is no way in hell I would blue this sled. Even if it was blued under that that gold paint which I highly doubt. I will try and strip a small section today to see what that exposes. This will determine how I will restore and paint it.
Kirby, I will be happy to do that. Not sure it will get done as quickly as the ferret as I have a vacation coming in the next couple weeks and then there is the Creek show to attend after that. I will post pictures of what I find and what obstacles I run into. I hope to find some original paint underneath and hope even more to find some period camouflage. I don't believe I have ever restored a tripod before other than parking my 1919 pod. I prefer original paint but there is no way I can live with this gold paint that was previously applied. This will be a new experience for me. Stay tuned for pictures as it progresses.If you have the opportunity could you post photos as you progress in your restoration of this mount?
No disrespect but maybe this topic :lol: should have it's own thread? :dunno:I did not start my thread to debate whether or not tripods were painted or blued, only to post what I recently acquired and to gain more information about it and how they were painted. I have never seen a "blued" sled, but then again I have only seen a few. :dunno:The Breda tripod sitting here is fully blued and painted over as is every one I've seen. There are other pre WW2 mounts here, however they are all in pristine painted condition so I'm not chipping any of that away to lookie see. If you are under the impression that these mounts were all made instantly and then painted right away that's probably not correct, so some post stamping/fabrication treatment was done before further processing could be done in a timely matter and just like today's use of a quick phosphate treatment for most steel fabricating for in process work. Surely most of the sleds endured harsh field conditions and rusted below the paint. This sled happens to be fully intact with all leather and wood present in good condition. You don't see many of those. Certainly they were all painted at some point, however letting steel sit untreated after assembly was not likely. All the sleds I've seen appear to be painted with a brush....not factory production paint jobs which did exist at the time and were much faster. Likely done by soldiers with a lot of down time and possibly in the theatre depending on the color scheme. Paint surely was the final layer of protection, however not the only one.
Do you have any photos to share of sled mounts that are not rusty and maybe we can compare and contrast? Or you can look closely in the sunshine and see your Breda 37 tripod is blued after all?
Moisture does not create red rust or any other phase of oxidation, oxygen does. You can submerge a blued steel item in a fish tank of distilled water and it won't rust. Oxygen is very soluble in water and that is why you see rust forming at the edge of droplets vs. in the center and why complete submersion results in little if any rust depending on the oxygen content of the water. Treatments, waxes/ oils are used mostly to keep chemicals from the skin away from the blued areas. Humidity is less of a factor except when coupled with water soluble chemicals from skin, these are not wear areas on firearms, but chemically stripped areas. Blued surfaces without treatment go for decades without treatment in areas with high RH. It's really not the moisture. High polish on firearms is purely cosmetic and has nothing to do with the treatment at all. Likewise bead blasting is purely cosmetic and generally only used on firearms cosmetically, not because it's necessary for the coating/treatment.
Germany never bead blasted phosphate finished guns, they just phosphate them as is in the WW2 era when it became commercially viable and time ran short. If you have photos to the contrary please share, but none of mine show anything other than formed steel, then phosphate treatment. No sanding, grinding, bead blasting etc. Maybe your stuff is all refinished and you don't see this?
Thanks johnson LMG, while I find your information interesting I just think it should be in it's own thread for debate. I enjoy the history and information that is passed from all members of this forum and find it great that we all share what we've learned. This debate of bluing tripods deserves to continued. :thumbup:Bam.. not a problem