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1917 cradle dimensions?

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hey guys, does anyone have a 1917 NOT a 1917a1 cradle they would share the outside dimensions and hole spacing with me? I would like to make two sideplates.thx
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There is one in the Oregon national guard Museum. Rick Larson took some photos of if for me. I would like to see it someday. Maybye at the MVPA convention in Aug.



Just a suggestion, but you could take a known size from the lower part of the pintle from the picture below and try to scale it the best you can????



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Lou

This is from TR 320-35 (Dated 1925)

"The two trasversing stops slide around the outer edge of the round brass flange on the top of the socket and can be set at any desired position by tightening the traversing stop screws (15H). The traversing stop pin (15B) can be moved up or down by means of its handle (15C). When pushed up it clears the traversing stops, but when down it comes in contact with them. When the traversing stops are properly set for the flanks of a target, it serves as a convenient method of regulating the limits of the traversing fire."

15H & 15B are not shown. You have to look through Machine Gun Service Regulations (Section 22), the Handbook of the browning machine gun, and the weapons mount book to figure it all out.



You can make out the (traversing stop pin (15C)) handle at the back of the pintle


These are the traversing stop slides. Its kinda hard to tell what the other parts of the stops are called ,because the manuals I have lack a complete break down drawing.
Item numbers
15F Traversing stop top shoe
15G Traversing stop bottom shoe


Craig
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Something else I learned tonight. I always wondered why some of the humps on the back of the sockets never looked like they were completed with a hole. Most of them seem to have what looks like a freeze plug added after they got rid of the worm mechanism. The statement below might be the answer. The plug has a W stamped into it. Its the same stamp and the same plug thats in the bottom of a 1917A1 pintle.

This was on page 77 of Machine Gun Service Regulations Section 22
"In addition to the above, one model of tripod has a socket equipped with a direction worm mechanism"



It depends on which manual or drawing you look at ,but 16A is the worm mechanism.





Craig
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And since Im posting photos here's a pic of my not yet completed Model of 1917 tripod and a 1917A1 cradle mounted on my restored M1 wheeled mount. I still need to make up or find a brass dial ,stick on the data plate (Model of 1917) and finish a couple of parts for the dial clamp/tightener (4F)



After 3 years Ive finally equiped the mount with almost all the right stuff. Model of 1917 tripod (without worm gear) 1917A1 cradle (with brass T&E handles) A model of 1918 spare barrel bag, The correct cleaning rod (not sure of designation, but it is the same rod pictured in many photos I own) and the spare parts chest. I also found an original drawbar for the mount last month.


I have better close ups ,but this is the rod. It is also the correct rod for the Model of 1917 BMG


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