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Like most folks with a 1919, I have other projects always in the works.

The 40mm chalk rounds for the M203s out there are fun and easy to build/reload but I was looking for something with a kick to it. Inspired by some of the 3D printed rounds out there, I sourced some of the 14.5 artillery simulator projectiles. They used to be around the gun shows, loose or loaded in a shotgun shell but have mostly dried up. I got the awesome files from chevtec for 3D printing various rounds and handed them to a buddy with a printer. They were a great start and we tweaked and tested from there. The best solution we came up with was a zinc pusher with a point detonating projectile with a custom nosecone, revision # 9(I think, lost track of them all).
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Superglue holds it all together and we fill the void space with chalk. These do work well. They tend to "arm" 80% of the time and go boom when ya hit a solid surface at about a 90 degree angle. However, they are heavy at 234g without chalk inside vs 170g for the M781 rounds complete. The recoil is a bit firm(1/2 lb projectile, duh) but manageable out of my double barrel 40mm launcher.

So, being the tinkerer I am, I looked for a better solution. The good folks at Bonetti Ordnance Bonetti Ordnance offer a complete empty chalk round that screws together. They make really great chalk rounds, they are all CPVC and considerably lighter than a standard pusher and nosecone combo. The barrel rifling gets less wear and most of the time, they are re-usable. With a simple modification, drill one hole about .650", they accept the 14.5 projectiles perfectly and screw down tight with room for some chalk for fun. They weigh a lightweight 130g and fly great. The one in the pictures below is actually a 3 second airburst round, more on those later.

The big plus is they arm 100% and go boom on any reasonably hard surface. I tried to get a dud, no luck yet.

Tree branches? Boom! Soft sand? Boom! Glancing blow off top of grassy berm? Boom! ! ! Have not tried shooting a pillow but ya get the idea...

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Glad someone is playing with these. Maybe it will make 40mm interesting.
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Glad someone is playing with these. Maybe it will make 40mm interesting.
Oh we've been working on making if more fun for sure. Just don't have the free time I used to have. See below for my current project that I don't have time for.

Very cool idea bigtom. Seems like a great use for those plastic projos from Bonetti. Maybe they can offer then with the hole already machined in place.

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Be careful. Some pictures from about 20 years back where someone loaded bird bomb stuff into a 37mm chalk round. I don’t think his hand was very salvageable.

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I would imagine it wasn't, thanks for sharing.
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Be careful. Some pictures from about 20 years back where someone loaded bird bomb stuff into a 37mm chalk round. I don’t think his hand was very salvageable.

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Oh yes. Very careful. My projos don't arm til they leave the barrel. And I'm doing a lot of reliability testing with no, or low, black powder charge from a remotely fired launcher.
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The 14.5mm sims don't have enough power to blow your hand off like that. But I still recommend full safety gear when firing them.
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Yikes! I have seen those pics floating around. Believe it was a tannerite style mixture they had loaded up. Very destructive to the launcher and more importantly, the user. Good reminder for people to be safe. I mostly keep my free hand off the barrel when I shoot 40mm and try to practice very strict safety measures but things do happen.
Yikes! I have seen those pics floating around. Believe it was a tannerite style mixture they had loaded up. Very destructive to the launcher and more importantly, the user. Good reminder for people to be safe. I mostly keep my free hand off the barrel when I shoot 40mm and try to practice very strict safety measures but things do happen.
It was a binary type explosive, yea. The name was withheld pending a lawsuit, but they marketed it for bird bombs and not for targets as I understand it.

As an attorney, I wouldn’t touch this case, but who knows.
Are those CPVC rounds printed or lathe-turned? (Or something else entirely). It seems like your origins design, printed solid instead of chalk-filled, would do the same thing, no?
The grey CPVC rounds from Bonetti Ordnance are turned on a CNC lathe. They happen to work just right for this, didnt even think about using them for this until recently. I went this direction for weight savings and re-useable base but the 3D printed ones may still be a good way to go once we get a better design that has the pusher and nosecone as one unit and still hold together well. My buddy with the 3D printer just has a basic hobbyist one and is limited in speed and precision.
The grey CPVC rounds from Bonetti Ordnance are turned on a CNC lathe. They happen to work just right for this, didnt even think about using them for this until recently. I went this direction for weight savings and re-useable base but the 3D printed ones may still be a good way to go once we get a better design that has the pusher and nosecone as one unit and still hold together well. My buddy with the 3D printer just has a basic hobbyist one and is limited in speed and precision.
Have you tried the ChevTec "SmokeV8" projectile for this? Gotta use a lot of glue with them, or even better, epoxy.

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A little off topic, but what is the going rate for the 14.5mm simulators?
Have you tried the ChevTec "SmokeV8" projectile for this? Gotta use a lot of glue with them, or even better, epoxy.
Had a few printed and they blew apart. Got some in the works to try again with more fill.

The cost of the 14.5 arty simulators is about $3 each now, if ya can find them. They used to be about $1 to $1.50 each. I did buy up what I could and have a good stockpile of them and the airburst ones.
Had a few printed and they blew apart. Got some in the works to try again with more fill.

The cost of the 14.5 arty simulators is about $3 each now, if ya can find them. They used to be about $1 to $1.50 each. I did buy up what I could and have a good stockpile of them and the airburst ones.
Yeah you gotta make them at 99 or 100% infill. I too stocked up on them at $1.50ea but wish I had more. Know of one place but it's $3 or so like you said
Be careful. Some pictures from about 20 years back where someone loaded bird bomb stuff into a 37mm chalk round. I don’t think his hand was very salvageable.

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This looks like one of those cobray 37mm flare launchers. It's not a "real" 40mm.
They are more like a kids toy than an actual launcher.
This looks like one of those cobray 37mm flare launchers. It's not a "real" 40mm.
They are more like a kids toy than an actual launcher.
It was. And while a real m203 is beefier, it's still an aluminum barrel. So be cautious.
It was. And while a real m203 is beefier, it's still an aluminum barrel. So be cautious.
I think every 40mm launcher has an aluminum barrel. M79, M203 and the Hk examples as well as others.
That's why I wouldn't ever use any custom propellant charges or "reactive" projectiles. Only the standard volume cases and proper blanks.
My hands are worth more than any possible fun.
This looks like one of those cobray 37mm flare launchers. It's not a "real" 40mm.
They are more like a kids toy than an actual launcher.
For being a toy it sure blew the **** out of his hand.

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It’s the same basic design, made from the same materials, with the same risks. If you think it’s a toy, I’d advise you to avoid “real” 40mm stuff.
For being a toy it sure blew the **** out of his hand.

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It’s the same basic design, made from the same materials, with the same risks. If you think it’s a toy, I’d advise you to avoid “real” 40mm stuff.
I appreciate your warning, but it comes too late as I already have the real stuff. Real Kanarr M79 and real Colt M203.

I hope you didn't take it personally, if you own one, that's your choice, but indeed, those 37mm launchers are just toys and as such, shouldn't be used with anything other than what they were designed for, if even that. As evidenced by the destruction caused by using one.
I wouldn't launch a signal flare out of one.
I appreciate your warning, but it comes too late as I already have the real stuff. Real Kanarr M79 and real Colt M203.

I hope you didn't take it personally, if you own one, that's your choice, but indeed, those 37mm launchers are just toys and as such, shouldn't be used with anything other than what they were designed for, if even that. As evidenced by the destruction caused by using one.
I wouldn't launch a signal flare out of one.
Do you think an M79 or M203 would’ve been okay with a round exploding in the barrel? Your hand would be okay, eyes too?

I’m trying to figure out what your point is here, aside from crapping on a 37mm and trying to brag about an M79 or M203. They all have aluminum barrels, and a 40mm projectile would’ve actually held more explosives, making it more powerful.

You do get that, right? It’s not a flaw with the 37mm, it’s being an idiot and packing explosives into a chalk round.
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