Now you know why I never participate
Wow, there have been more knowledgable people in this field in the last few years than ever before. (Shattered) Everybody is an expert. (NOT)
The guys you hold on a pedestal in this industry (Goldsmith, Lamont, Kielholz, Brown, Forgett etc.) I have known and shot with for years.
I used to go to Knob Creek when they were lucky to get 400 people to show up. Did you know that Kent Lamonts father used to sleep in a sleeping bag on the ground in front of the firing positions at KC? Of course not ... you experts have only been around for 10 or so years! Me - since 1980!! Kent would wake him up in the morning with a burst of gun fire.
Shattered, Landies used to do business under the Collectors Corner name ... from the basement of his home in Chardon, Ohio. He had no facilities back then to manufacture anything. He subbed out most of the work he acquired. Like M37 plates from Group and those Stainless M16 receivers that Mike got registered and never completed.
The M37 sideplates were registered before May '86 but never built into guns for one simple reason. No M37 parts kits were available back then but a plethora (a "bunch" for you Shattered) of 1919 and Argentine 28's were.
We showed ATF that the basic configuration of the M37 was similar enough to the 1919/17 that they approved the changes.
If you look at one of these Group Industries guns you will see that Mike Brown put his original company logo and serial number on what was to be the INSIDE of a built gun. Remove the grip and entrails and you will see, several inches forward, Mike's company logo. If it doesn't have this logo there ... someone has illegally made a new sideplate!
In the process of changing these to 1919/17's I engraved Mike's information along the bottom edge of the plate to comply with ATF regulations. Then depending on what the customer ordered I engraved Saginaw Steering Gear, Westinghouse, Buffalo Arms or that fancy Colt logo that you see in Dolf's book!
There is a lot of misinformation on these web forums perpetuated by guys like Shattered (know it alls) and are the reason I rarely add my .02 cents.
Well, back to hibernation!