[tamaneko]

Anyone purchased one from there? At $79.99, it's the second cheapest kit with a demilled receiver after the Suomi M31, but the description says the barrel has been plugged and demilled. Worth it anyway, even for just a display gun?

And is Interordnance trustworthy enough? I googled them and came up with stories of how parts kits they sold several years back were confiscated door-to-door by the BATF...would that happen again?

 

[Bill S]

The kits that were confiscated were of a specific type that the BATF reversed its own ruling on - can't blame IO for that. Also, confiscations were not door-to-door - ATF sent out letters to people known to have bought them and asked for compliance. There are many other kits of this confiscated type that are unaccounted for (sold at gun shows, traded, etc.). No door-to-door search for those.

As for the value of the Beretta or the Suomi - can't tell you. Haven't seen either of those kits myself.

 

[sdk1968]

if you need some parts the 79 is a good deal.

yes thats with a screwed up barrel.... good news is IO also sells a replacement barrel that is US made.

the old demils are obviously better, but then again hard to go wrong at 79 bucks.

 

[sdk1968]

here is the way id go, he has a real nice kit!! and he is a trusted member.

http://www.1919a4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12682

 

[FN74]

I have 4 beretta kits from them. Mine were before the barrel ban, so my barrels are all intact. The kits were worn pretty good, but mostly complete with exception of the cocking handle. Reciever parts were included, as were 1 mag per kit. The kits that were confiscated were FAL kits and was not due to anything that IO did. The Beretta 38a kits were one of the few subguns used en masse by the german army in WW2. There are semi conversions out for it, and a new barrel can be made with relative ease from a blank.
Prexis is a good place to start - I highly suggest making a semi out of it - you'll enjoy it a lot!
http://www.prexis.com/sten/40.htm

 

[scotty1418]

I just received 2 in the mail today and they are pretty nice. You can make a nice dummy pretty easily, no fuss. But the internals, especially for the trigger housing are especially tricky. Does anyone have any diagrams?

Much appreciated!

 

[csa4ever2001]

i have ordered alot of things from interordnance over the years always got what i ordered and they havent messed up yet. i am all but pleased i bought 2 of the fal kits and i never had the letter or nothing like that come to my house.

 

[zoom6zoom]

There's an article in the current Shotgun news on building a dummy from one of these kits.

 

[booger hooker]

I've got 4 of the older style demilled kits and keep kicking around the idea to buy another of these for the parts and stock for the extra spares...I'm wanting to build one of the kits into a pistol using the original barrel and shroud and later build a semi with extended shroud and 9mm barrel blank I have.

 

[jestism]

I have 4 beretta kits from them. Mine were before the barrel ban, so my barrels are all intact. The kits were worn pretty good, but mostly complete with exception of the cocking handle. Reciever parts were included, as were 1 mag per kit. The kits that were confiscated were FAL kits and was not due to anything that IO did. The Beretta 38a kits were one of the few subguns used en masse by the german army in WW2. There are semi conversions out for it, and a new barrel can be made with relative ease from a blank.
Prexis is a good place to start - I highly suggest making a semi out of it - you'll enjoy it a lot!
http://www.prexis.com/sten/40.htm

Here's a direct link to Prexis Online store's page for the Beretta 38a 80% products.
http://www.prexis.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=P&Category_Code=B3

 

[scotty1418]

So it appears that plenty of people have the kits, but no one has an idea how they function?

Scott

 

[zb37]

BATF confiscation of kits.

Sorry Bill S., but I have to disagree with you. Had BATF show up at my door to collect a kit that I bought from IO. PPS41 from Russia. No harm intended.

 

[blackrifles]

Scott,

I sold my kit a long time ago, however, I do recall a building thread on weaponeer.net where you might find the info you seek. HTH

 

[Bill S]

Sorry Bill S., but I have to disagree with you. Had BATF show up at my door to collect a kit that I bought from IO. PPS41 from Russia. No harm intended.

If they came to your door because they had already gotten your address from IO, that is not a "door-to-door search". For that matter, did they even search your house? Or just notify you that your name had been provided by IO and ask you to surrender the kit?

A "door-to-door search" is when police (or ATF, FBI, whoever) goes down the street from one house to the next looking for something. Such a process is rare, but does happen. I remember an incident many years ago in Los Angeles in which police came to my door in a door-to-door search - a body had been found on the beach at the end of the street and there was no identification on it. They did a door-to-door with photos of the murdered person asking if anyone could ID the person or provide any information. If they had come directly to my address because evidence had directed them there, it would not have been a door-to-door search.

As far as the IO case with the PPSh41 - I guess it might be simply a misuse or misunderstanding (or exageration) of the term. ATF did show up at the doors of specific individuals who were known to have bought the kits with trunions. But that was limited to a very specific set of kits of one type of gun. Buying other kits of different guns from the same company shouldn't bring the same risk.

 

[sdk1968]

its an old story but unless they had a warrant when they showed up it would just mean good day to you sir, and close the door.

 

[linc_64]

I never built one, but from what I understand, you can use an SKS fcg. and a little modification of the bolt. I don't know what they're doing for 922r compliance.
As far as IO, I believe they would be in constant communication with the ATF regarding parts kits, just to keep anything like that from happening again. At least thats what I'd do, just to keep from losing my license, and keep from pissing off my customers.

 

[blackrifles]

Linc,

The problem is there's nothing to really go by on domestic demils or demils for importation, LOTS of suggestions and "spooky language" but no REAL manual/illustrations that I'm aware of, as long as govt does that they CAN change rules overnight, and they clearly have done so. FTB letters are notorious for being reversed on a whim.

Fed (friend of mine) led me to ATF's website many yrs ago, where there used to be a PDF illustration on ATF's website concerning "bandsaw" receiver cuts. Raids ensue at IO and many others, we both noted this PDF demil guide was changed to "torch cuts ONLY" over a few days, I reviewed the torching diagrams and noticed a variance in where they were cut, along with some disclaimer BS (their wiggle room?) about NOT exact cut locations, 1919/G-3/FAL was there for sure. Wouldn't you know it, right after door knocking and mass confiscations started (IO, Dan's, etc) the demil links were no longer found, "file error, file not found".

Hmmm...now why would they do that, while at the same time grabbing up parts kits and raiding vendors? Might be used against them, that's why, I really wish I'd copied those PDFs, so do a few others.

This whole confiscation issue could've resulted from mis-communication on demil process, perhaps a careless agent's inspection, I kinda doubt it, what I have seen (hundreds of times) are rules changed within days to suit their agenda. What we need is a clear and basic guideline devoid of lawyer jargon, sort of like the recent NFA Handbook(they're working on another manual on procedures) and I don't believe this covers demils, one area that desperately needs attention.


With any luck LR will chime in soon and offer his "old school" wisdom, we've spoken about this very subject.

 

[mspurg]

ZB37 has it correct. I had one of those "horrible" Ppsh41 kits. The Feds showed up at my door while my wife was sitting in the living room looking out the front window. They parked a junky looking car in front of my neighbor's house, next door. They came to the door and knocked, but she did not answer for QUITE OBVIOUS REASONS. They left, but did leave their "calling" card. At first, they wanted the whole kit, but later reversed their decision. In the mean time I FEDEXed the kit back to IO, and got credit toward a ZB-26 kit which is almost finished as a semi!!! The Feds got NOTHING!!!! They seemed slighted pissed, as if I could care!!! I will now have a semi ZB-26 worth 5 or 6 times the value of a Ppsh41 semi. As a case in point another PPsh41 kit that that I saw from another seller was IDENTICAL to the IO kit, but they were NOT even touched. Figure that one out!!!!!!!!

The kits that were confiscated were of a specific type that the BATF reversed its own ruling on - can't blame IO for that. Also, confiscations were not door-to-door - ATF sent out letters to people known to have bought them and asked for compliance. There are many other kits of this confiscated type that are unaccounted for (sold at gun shows, traded, etc.). No door-to-door search for those.

As for the value of the Beretta or the Suomi - can't tell you. Haven't seen either of those kits myself.

 

[zb37]

You are exactly right about the door to door search. Never had a letter from IO to surrender the kit. Just showed up one day and took it. Had a friend in town they did the same to. Had to do with the country of origin, Russia. Demil was not the problem. This thing was hacked to death.

 

[Bill S]

Had to do with the country of origin, Russia.

Ahhh... Bill Clinton's legacy. Amazing the angles they use to keep things out of our hands. "Country of Origin" doesn't seem to get in the way of all kinds of other Russian products.

Demil was not the problem. This thing was hacked to death.

I remember that at one time there was a big panic over the PPSh41 because it was discovered that parts kits that included the trunion (which was initially approved) could supposedly be made into machine guns too easily. ATF revised the demil requirements and required that the trunion be removed.