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I see mixed reviews but can't figure out why the NRA rates him at an F.

seems pretty pro-gun less the mag cap limit.

am i missing something?
 

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You mean beyond the fact that he is a loon?

I actually haven't paid any attention to Sanders or his positions, if any, on harassment of gun owners (sometimes erroneously referred to as gun control). The problem is that any organized political system eventually begins to encroach on individual liberties. That's as inevitable as death and taxes. When the encroachees become restless the government has a natural tendency to preserve itself by restricting effective resistance. This is true in any society - capitalist, socialist, theocratic or communist. In my reading of history socialists are much more open about the "need" to disarm the populace in order for the massive transfers of money and goods that their system requires in order to theoretically work. Sanders appears to be an avowed socialist. I appreciate his honesty in that regard, but I am also suspicious of the effect on gun ownership that label implies.
 

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as i was looking over all of the upcoming candidates (declared or not)i go through my list of demands and i look at their stances even if i've already ruled them out from my ballot. it just seems a little low for ranking on firearms compared to what his voting record shows. so is the NRA adding in other political platforms, that are unrelated, to their ranking?
 

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as i was looking over all of the upcoming candidates (declared or not)i go through my list of demands and i look at their stances even if i've already ruled them out from my ballot. it just seems a little low for ranking on firearms compared to what his voting record shows. so is the NRA adding in other political platforms, that are unrelated, to their ranking?
I don't think so. Sanders is basically what some wrongly denigrate as "Fudds" a term applied to those who think that their shotgun or bolt CF rifle is OK but not your AR or AK, (anyone remember Jim Zumbo ?) however, the 2nd amendment does not mention hunting. He is from Vermont, which does not require a CCW permit and has a rich history of hunting, and once you get outside of the yuppie enclaves of the larger cities the residents seem, at least to me, extremely zealous of their independence from traditional thought. In the 60's the hippies called this "doing your own thing". He is an avowed socialist something that makes him a zero in my book regardless of his 2nd amendment views.

I reject those who would tell me they know better what to do with my resources than I do.
 

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Rory, I would suspect they are incorporating statements the candidates have made regarding firearms. It would be nice if they included links so in cases like this you could have a better understanding of their reasoning and make an informed decision about the accurracy of the rating they assigned.

The following ratings are based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionaire sent to all Congressional candidates; the NRA assigned a letter grade (with A+ being the highest and F being the lowest).
Source: NRA website 02n-NRA on Dec 31, 2003

Bernie Sanders on Gun Control
Click here for 7 full quotes on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control.
Voted YES on banning high-capacity magazines of over 10 bullets. (Apr 2013)
Voted YES on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Bernie_Sanders.htm
 

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That rating system of the NRA's is not always accurate. The NRA supported a candidate several years ago in my state who as soon as he was sworn in became a co-sponsor for an ammunition micro stamping bill. Needless to say he was not reelected and in follow up questions the NRA never offered an excuse for having supported him in the first place.

Granted elected officials can change their opinion on given topics. Our local sheriff who was a firm supporter of firearms ownership when running for office changed his opinion when he found out that people also liked to own firearms other than Fudd guns. He was advised not to run for reelection this year and it was advice he took.

Not saying to not use the NRA rating system but do not use it as a sole measuring tool, folks still need to get out and do research on their own.
 

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That rating system of the NRA's is not always accurate. The NRA supported a candidate several years ago in my state who as soon as he was sworn in became a co-sponsor for an ammunition micro stamping bill. Needless to say he was not reelected and in follow up questions the NRA never offered an excuse for having supported him in the first place.

Granted elected officials can change their opinion on given topics. Our local sheriff who was a firm supporter of firearms ownership when running for office changed his opinion when he found out that people also liked to own firearms other than Fudd guns. He was advised not to run for reelection this year and it was advice he took.

Not saying to not use the NRA rating system but do not use it as a sole measuring tool, folks still need to get out and do research on their own.

People lie, my own experience was with a female Democrat who was a reliable supporter of 2nd amnd issues, a fiscal and social conservative however, when it appeared that she was losing her seat to a Republican in a lame duck session of the legislature she threw the taxpayers under the bus with a 66% increase in personal income tax. I endorsed her circulated petitions fro her and donated to her candidacy, but she sold out for an exempt job with the state paying 75k with full benefits offered by that that bald headed creep Pat Quinn in exchange for a yes vote. To say I was disappointed by this is an understatement.
 

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Look up his past voting record. If there's any sure indicator of what he'll do in the future, check out what he did since being elected from day one. Don't believe anything any politician says before an election. Remember, the ONLY thing they are interested in is getting elected/re-elected. they will flip-flop, lie, fib, backpedal, etc. Anything to prevent having to get an actual job.

Much better they get elected and from that moment on, only have to flap their gums... which all of them do very well.

Whatever happened to serving one term and then going back to their real job? Political orifice was never intended to be a career.....
 
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