[PKw VI Tiger1]

I live in North Dakota and we don't have any laws restricting gun ownership other than Fed. regulations.
How would a regular joe like myself buy a registered full-auto gun (other than with lots of cash ) what kind of paperwork is required?
Would I need a special licence of any kind if so would a plain C&R licence work (form #'s don't mean much to me)?
I live near (130 miles away in state) a class 3 dealer so they could transfer them to me right?
Knowledgeable help appreciated.

 

[30calmachinegunner]

you can buy directly from an individual in state, buy a C&R gun directly with your C&R license or have a class3 dealer handle the transfer for you. Whichever way you buy it there are forms(form 4) that need filled out(in duplicate) along with fingerprint cards, photographs and law enforcement signoff. There is also a $200 excise tax that needs to be paid, some people think of this as a license which it is not, it's just a tax stamp. There is also a citizenship certification(simple), 4473 and a NICS check.

 

[mucker]

mucker

30 cal. did a real good job of explaining the procedure. However, we're both assuming that the gun is owned by an individual or a class 3 dealer and is fully "transferable". Make certain that the gun is transferable before any $$ change hands. If you're dealing with an individual that has it registered to himself, no problem. There is no such thing as a "machine gun license". There is however a Federal registration required as 30 cal. explained. You will have to have a "sign off" by the local Sherriff. This means that he will have to approve the transfer. It shouldn't be a problem in the "good ol' boy" culture in North Dakota, but in some areas, the Sherriff won't comply and thats the end of it. You might want to talk to him before starting the procedure. You'll have to pay the $200 transfer tax when you submit the registration form. BTW this tax has been the same since 1934 (which at that time represented 6 months farm wages!). Good luck on your pending purchase and let me know if you need any forms etc.

 

[jmann]

One other note, if the gun is not in your state and not a C&R gun, then it will have to come into your state on a transfer from the seller to your class 3 dealer, then a separate transfer from your dealer to you. Dealer to dealer transfers go on a form3, which is free, but any time a normal (non dealer) is involved it is $200. So an out of state gun owned by an individial will cost 2 stamps to get into your hands. One from seller to dealer and one from dealer to you. Have the discussion up front about who pays the tax when negotiating prices.

 

[drbones2nd]

BE WARNED!! once you go full auto it will begin a long road of obsession...You will sell your semi autos, mortgage off the house and live in your car in order to sustain your addiction...


Seriously, I cannot imagine going to the range without my beloved group industries 1919A4. Its the only gun that still puts a smile on my face after dumping a 225 round belt.....

Have fun....

 

[PKw VI Tiger1]

Thanks for the help guys. This was more for my information than anything (found nothing good for sale yet) and I know the most expensive part of the gun isn't the gun itself but the ammo to feed one and the accessories. It's just the way some guys talk when they talk real MG's its as if they are talking about a secret club with handshakes and everything! Realistically though I don't think I'll get one anytime soon unless there is someone sitting on one that has no idea what it's worth (yeah right).
Keep the replies coming!

 

[drbones2nd]

About the cheapest NFA gun you can get yourself into is a cobray M11/9mm. They will run around 3k but there is a butt load of accessories available for them....

 

[JordanR]

LEO signoff

I think there is a way to obtain NFA weapons as corporate assets, owned by a corporation, As long as you are a trustee of said corp, you can obtain and keep the arm in your possesion. you should visit the ATF site and go to the FAQ area. keep in mind that there are legal area's involved with setting up a corp and the gun would be an asset of the corp and not you. so check with your LEO before you even think about sending the money.

everything else that was mentioned in previous post's also applies with this method, this is just a way to sort of bypass the LEO signoff if you can't obtain it in your area, also make sure that your state if NFA legal. here is a great NFA faq written years ago with a list of staes and what C3 items they allow.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nfa_faq.txt

a LONG read but has tons of info.

Hope this helps
Jordan

 

[muta4warrior]

you can buy directly from an individual in state, buy a C&R gun directly with your C&R license or have a class3 dealer handle the transfer for you. Whichever way you buy it there are forms(form 4) that need filled out(in duplicate) along with fingerprint cards, photographs and law enforcement signoff. There is also a $200 excise tax that needs to be paid, some people think of this as a license which it is not, it's just a tax stamp. There is also a citizenship certification(simple), 4473 and a NICS check.

There is no NICS check with NFA items, just have to fill out the 4473.