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I shouldn't have waited all these years to apply for a C & R license but it all went in last week. I guess it just seems like a little bit of federal insurance against tyrannical state laws. If nothing else the socialists in charge of this once great state should at least recognize it when referring to WW2 belts and mags. I'd love to get a class 7 but we're zoned agricultural - otherwise I would just do that. When I started looking at what I own most of it is 50+ years old anyways.
 

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Smart move Dave and there are more benefits with a C&R than most folks know. One big one is the transportation of NFA items which I will explain on my next trip there. I put in for mine also but am doing my premise address at my daughter's in Philly and naming her as a responsible party so that I can buy C&R NFA items and keep them in Philly.
 

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.... I guess it just seems like a little bit of federal insurance against tyrannical state laws. If nothing else the socialists in charge of this once great state should at least recognize it when referring to WW2 belts and mags. I'd love to get a class 7 but we're zoned agricultural - otherwise I would just do that. When I started looking at what I own most of it is 50+ years old anyways.
I am not sure what insurance you are getting. The FFL is still limited by the state. I also don't know if it helping at all with Mags and belts.

Also my understanding was zoned Agricultural would be ok for an FFL? Not that I have tried it. Seem like it would be easy to get a zoning variance for a small part anyway.
 

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Glad you went and got one. Who knows what kind of protection it will offer you, as none of the LEO Ive ever met know the difference between a 1, 3 or a 7. Just have the paperwork in your car when you go to the range. Thats what I always do.
 

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I shouldn't have waited all these years to apply for a C & R license but it all went in last week. I guess it just seems like a little bit of federal insurance against tyrannical state laws. If nothing else the socialists in charge of this once great state should at least recognize it when referring to WW2 belts and mags. I'd love to get a class 7 but we're zoned agricultural - otherwise I would just do that. When I started looking at what I own most of it is 50+ years old anyways.
Being zoned agriculture shouldn’t stop you from getting a class 7. There are exemptions like housing and even some industrial uses like tractor mechanics and processing plants. You just can’t put up commercial buildings or housing tracks. The rules are pretty lax if the property owner is doing it for themselves.
 

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I always keep a C&R.
I find it helps a lot with my interest in old firearms.
The machine guns for sure. I buy stuff all over the country and it comes straight to the house. Very convenient. I can take the MGs to the Big Sandy and surrounding states without a 5320.20 also.
When I ship firearms UPS FEDEX US Mail. I have been asked at least once from each if I’m an FFL, the answer is yes. They don’t ask which FFL type and I don’t think they care, they just want some kind of documentation. I was asked once by an ATF agent I said yes and showed him. He was satisfied regardless of the type as some guns I shipped were Stolen in a burglary after they were delivered. All in all, really no negatives to a C&R. You’re just not a dealer.
 

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Does anyone have any concerns that having a C&R is a little bit like being on a national registry? For example, if the US were to take a turn like Australia did several years ago, the C&R list would seem like low hanging fruit and a quick way to identify FA owners. Thoughts?
 

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Does anyone have any concerns that having a C&R is a little bit like being on a national registry? For example, if the US were to take a turn like Australia did several years ago, the C&R list would seem like low hanging fruit and a quick way to identify FA owners. Thoughts?
It would be a quick way to confiscate a bunch of really old bolt rifles with horrible accuracy and sewer pipe bores. I have zero thoughts or worries about such a thing.
 

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Does anyone have any concerns that having a C&R is a little bit like being on a national registry? For example, if the US were to take a turn like Australia did several years ago, the C&R list would seem like low hanging fruit and a quick way to identify FA owners. Thoughts?
Isnt a FA C&R already on the registry? Having a 03 FFL just helps speed up the xfer. (I dont know, as FA's are banned here in NY, even on a FFL)
 

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I don’t worry about registries or lists.
I was in the military.
The U.S. government knows everything about me.
Blood type, DNA, shoe size, tattoos, scars, dental record and even my underwear size. Too late now for privacy. I don’t believe they will ever do confiscation.
The numbers are too big. 450 million guns in the US.
so if they confiscated 1 million guns a year it would take 450 years, nope.
 

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I don’t worry about registries or lists.
I was in the military.
The U.S. government knows everything about me.
Blood type, DNA, shoe size, tattoos, scars, dental record and even my underwear size. Too late now for privacy. I don’t believe they will ever do confiscation.
The numbers are too big. 450 million guns in the US.
so if they confiscated 1 million guns a year it would take 450 years, nope.
Spot on. There will be no confiscation. Just more laws, criminalization, bans and regulations. Its already working here in NY. Potential gun buyers dont want to go thru the hassle anymore, gun dealers dont know what they can sell, gun owners dont even know if what they own is even legal anymore.
 

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I appreciate all the comments.

I agree that most C&R are not at the top (or even the middle) of the lists of the types of FA that the grabbers are aiming for, but there are some semi-auto C&R, so it's not out of the question. I am in DE, which recently passed some of the most draconian laws one can imagine. Nothing that is semi-auto, centerfire & accepts a detachable magazine may be sold in DE now. If you had it before the law passed, you are grandfathered, but the burden of proof is on you to prove that you owned it before the ban date (guilty until proven innocent apparently). So, there are already many C&R FAs that I can't buy here in DE. Of course, we are taking them to court, and these will be overturned in 5 years (hopefully), but I guess my point is that C&R are still on some of these lists.

I also agree, there is no way to actually confiscate them in meaningful numbers, but that is a logical argument, and I don't think the folks who have the power to do things like this actually posses the logical capacity to comprehend that, so it doesn't mean they won't try.

And yes, they have probably gigabytes of information one each and every person that goes through the 4473, despite the stipulation that this info is supposed to stay with the FFL (until they close up shop), but that doesn't mean they are supposed to, or that it is legal. Of course, if you have Class III, they already know what size underwear you have on, and how many sugars you like in your coffee, so it's a moot point.

So I guess the consensus is that although it might give some commie gun grabbers a head start if the tables turn that way, but the task is just so daunting that no one will care about a MAS49/56 or Hakim or M1 Carbine, because they want to be able to take photo-op pictures with black rifles, and even the grabbers themselves are just virtue signaling and don't care about my C&Rs.

It's all good food for thought, and definitely getting me to think again about my reluctance to do a C&R. Perhaps I should go ahead and jump in. It sure would make things easier (and cheaper) for the kinds of stuff I have interests in.

But now I'm worried about rising sea levels in 2032 from all those completely coincidentally occurring terrible boating accidents.
 

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I realize ny state does not recognize a C&R when purchasing/ selling firearms - it is however a federal FFL and as such most intelligent LEOs (which I believe is most all of them anyway) would recognize it and let me go on my way if I were to have a semi auto Vickers and a few belts of blanks in the truck. Agreed on everything said above - with the exception of homebuilts and private purchases they already know what I have. If in a specific situation it would be much easier to simply say "I have a federal firearms license officer" rather than "I'd like to call my lawyer".
 

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Does anyone have any concerns that having a C&R is a little bit like being on a national registry? For example, if the US were to take a turn like Australia did several years ago, the C&R list would seem like low hanging fruit and a quick way to identify FA owners. Thoughts?
This entire idea of being on some "list" is probably pointless for anyone on this forum. Most people here have already got enough to have them on this "list". Certainly any FFL holder of any kind, anyone with a Form 1 or 4 or 5. Probably anyone who has ever filled out a 4473... Anyway, I think this is the most overrated idea of non-gun owners and even some gun owners. If you are not getting a C&R because of this, that is crazy IMO.

Most of the gun bans have been looking long term. Ban now, the current stock will be antiques in a few years... just look at 1986 MGs. They are not seeing the ammo as the weak link.
 
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