[phalanx]

When Cocked And locked ,is a Browning High Power as safe as a 1911 ?

 

[Pirate]

if you are standing behind them, yes!

 

[phalanx]

Pirate that don't tell me squat, No matey it isn't a blunder bust,AArrrr.
How come you don't have your fine Avatar posted here also ?

 

[franks71vw]

Arrrrr cause they know we'd take over arrr

 

[KABAR2]

Phal. Only a slide safety on a High Power, 1911 has both slide and grip safety 1911 is my choice. And there is a story behind it too.

 

[Roc Rat]

I'll take me 1911 too ye lubber,,, it'll be makin a bigger hole,,Arrrg,,, I was wonderin if I should be usin my Avatar here too??? I'll be thinkin it would raise an eyebrow or two???

 

[panzerfaust]

Again....(2 safeties)

Well, the 1911 has 2, the BHP has the slide safety, and the magazine disconnect safety. (drop the mag., will not fire) Some say the BHP is/was his finest design. Double the round capacity of a 1911, but about half the ballistic "stopping" power. As reliable as a 1911, if not more so. BHP was/is carried by the 'elite" of many militaries, including the British SAS, etc. At one time the favorite of the early CIA. (1960's/70's) During WW 2 the German officer corps could be designated via their respective sidearm. Low ecehelon officers were issued Lugers or P-38's. Medium grade were issued PPK's. The 'elite" or Waffen SS packed BHP's from occupied Belgium. Excellent firearm. (in a 9mm/.40 package)

 

[phalanx]

Thanks for the info ,AAArrr , i be a thinkin you all sould be a waven yer flag!!
Least ye be a *** , i mean a flag.
I be a showen me red skirt ,if you be a showen your colors !

 

[KABAR2]

Well, the 1911 has 2, the BHP has the slide safety, and the magazine disconnect safety. (drop the mag., will not fire) Some say the BHP is/was his finest design. Double the round capacity of a 1911, but about half the ballistic "stopping" power. As reliable as a 1911, if not more so. BHP was/is carried by the 'elite" of many militaries, including the British SAS, etc. At one time the favorite of the early CIA. (1960's/70's) During WW 2 the German officer corps could be designated via their respective sidearm. Low ecehelon officers were issued Lugers or P-38's. Medium grade were issued PPK's. The 'elite" or Waffen SS packed BHP's from occupied Belgium. Excellent firearm. (in a 9mm/.40 package)

Well that's why they invented Para-Ornance P14-45's my carry gun.

 

[blackrifles]

Yes, Waffen SS had BHPs, one of my friends has one that is nickel plated, let's just say the former owner gave it up the hard way.

 

[phalanx]

I had seen pictures of the SS with a HP.
It looks like the 40 is over shadowing the 9mm in about all guns you see these days.
I like the fact its got a steel receiver ,but in a 40 it is only a 10 round gun ,of course when using a 9mm you need more rounds.
The ones with a tangent sight look cool ,but i don't know if they come in a 40 ,and what good a sight like that would be in a pistol.

 

[panzerfaust]

Well remember....

At one point the Canadian Inglis and the Chinese BHP's were manufactured with a very nice wooden stock, thus turning them into short "rifles." (hence the sights) It is worth getting one just for the history alone, and the reliability. And.......they feel REALLY good in your hand too. Get the Belgian F.N. version, and not the cheaper "portuguese made" later version. The earlier designs/models (1950's/1960's) fetch bigger prices. Carried one for over 15 years, thousands of rounds, never a jam or problem. Stay safe. Out.

 

[phalanx]

I like this pistol, I shot it today for the first time.
It is a 40 ,and it bounced cans like a SAA.
FNH Belgium.

 

[alamosaddles]

Phal. Only a slide safety on a High Power, 1911 has both slide and grip safety 1911 is my choice. And there is a story behind it too.

Alright man. ...I've been waiting for the story....I love to hear the things that lead up to certain features being included in guns and things along those lines. Tell us the story behind it please?

 

[KABAR2]

Alright man. ...I've been waiting for the story....I love to hear the things that lead up to certain features being included in guns and things along those lines. Tell us the story behind it please?

Well Allamo,

My story is the following...... about 20+ years ago I had a Argentine Balasta Molina .45 as most people know it is a rough copy of the Colt M1911 but omitts the grip safety, I was living on the west coast of Florida at the time, the house had several acres on either side so I had no neighbors to speak of. I was loading this pistol and racked one in the chamber as I went to flip the safety on it discharged going into the corner of the outside wall, just missing the window, it was a brick house so no penetration of the exterior, I hadn't had the gun very long and discoverd upon further inspection there was an issue with the sear engagement. and a weak spring. in over 35 + years of gun handling that is the only accidental discharge I have ever had, it was a mechanical problem not operator error, but is one of the reasons I prefer a 1911 with the grip safety to autos without.

The reason for the Grip safety on the 1911 came about due to a requirement set forth by the U.S. Cavalry during its development and trials. Some people hate them and have a hard time with them, I never have had a problem because of a grip safety.

The Browning HiPower as we all know it was being developed by Browning for FN and the European market probably why no grip safety, it would have been at best an adequate pistol
but nothing to write home about, after Browning's death his assistant by the last name Seaeve brought the design to what we now know by adding the thirteen round staggered box magazine
to the design, it honors Browning, but the end result was Seaeve.

I'm sure some will read this and think I'm a fool having an accidental discharge, but anyone who handles firearms should never say it can't happen to me, I'm smarter than that! It happens, and it can happen to the best of us, that's why muzzle awareness is always important.

 

[phalanx]

Well we shot the HP ,40cal ,on the way home from looking at a silo.
I have an H&K USP my FFL wants because it is NIB.
Wife bought the HP for me at Christmas and we hadn't shot it yet ,but if i sell the USP to the FFL i would get my money back.
The USP is nice but it is large and box feeling ,and i am not a polymer frame fan.
And a pistol without a hammer to a guy who grew up with a SAA and a 1911 is just to weird.
The HP fired great ,and is a tack driver out of the box and the Bluing is beautiful ,and i don't think i would like it if it were 9mm.
My 1911s are steel frames ,so is the baby eagle and now the HP so i guess i am set.
The exception is the H&K P7 M8 ,at least you have to squeeze it and the little striker comes out the back telling you it is in Battery.

 

[panzerfaust]

Thanks Kabar....

An A/D can happen to anyone. Even the Self-defense "guru" Ayoob has a lucite paperweight on his desk. He was handling a large frame revolver, and then "ka-blam" inside a home. He saved the pellets from the Glaser slug, and put them in lucite as a reminder.

The BHP is well designed, feels great, shoots well, and was a present to my wife this past Christmas. Although the "nine" is not considered a "stopper" the 13 rounds are good for a beginner. (and the recoil can be handled by her)

 

[franks71vw]

I like the S&W M&P 45 great gun going to test it tomorrow....