[nitrovieques]

ok guys,

the list has started on people pushing this huge ammo buy....its the same ol problems over and over...how do you start it and how do you get it off the ground...well i think i have a few answers.

one fellow has already contacted me about the web site and is interested in setting it up...he needs help...technical help i suppose from any more computer gurus out there.

the web site, so far as decided, will be simple. lets say you want to spend $2,000.00 on 8mm ammo, well you will simply transfer 2K in the site and then you get a password. after the site reaches the amount necessary to proceed with the actual purchase from overseas the money will be frozen and the only way to get your money out will be to sell your share...there will be plenty of buyers at that point because the web site will show how many people are in, what the pot is to, and the final price per bullet for each type. NOW lets say that the pot is not quite big enough yet to start...and you wreck your car...and need that money back...well, you simply put in your password and re-collect your cash....in the event that not enough interest is raised you can do the same thing. however there will be a domino effect, as the price per bullet begins to drop into the less than .15 cents a round range much attention and interest will be given to this site. this is all contingent on the overseas "guy" who tells us how much is needed to get the ammo and ship it to our ports...that will be the freeze point for the money...where after this you will have to "sell" shares to get your money back. upon receiving your ammo you will give up the password and the money will be dumped into the expense fund.

we need more people please PM me and i will get you in touch with the others. if you can help legally , overseas, shipping, storing...let us know.

later

 

[nitrovieques]

pfarber...sorry

just got your message a little late....kinda goes against what i put in the message....guys, go ahead and PM me if you have suggestions on this...this was just a starting point...but i hope the general idea is sound.

later

 

[Pirate]

it seems to me the best place to start would be to find the "guy" with the ammo and see how much is available and how much it costs then work it from there.
I think collecting $$$ then looking for a place to spend it is a risky approach.

 

[southbysouthwest]

it seems to me the best place to start would be to find the "guy" with the ammo and see how much is available and how much it costs then work it from there.
I think collecting $$$ then looking for a place to spend it is a risky approach.

Yep I agree here. Find a seller, secure a window that the load will be reserved for the group buy and then give everyone firm notice that the deal close on "x day" (end of time window) at "Y dollars" and if the money is not inplace the deal falls thru.

Trying to recruit cash upfront, without a product on hand, will lead the guy holding the reins on the "pot of gold" with a very big tax nightmare in the eyes of the IRS.

 

[sdk1968]

if you find the ammo...... we will buy it.


LOL

 

[nitrovieques]

it takes a village....

sorry to title it that...

but this is one little village i don't mind being apart of. seriously though...im nobody, just a voice here....its you guys....i need someone who has a contact across the pond to find the surplus ammo....or the manufacturer...there has got to be someone who knows someone who knows where or has a load of ammo over there...speak up.

as for the website before the ammo...well yes that makes sense....but it will take time to get the website up and going, in that time someone can be looking for the ammo overseas...that will take time...the website will not be opened until the ammo is found and a price is quoted.....

don't worry so much as to why this won't work...rather worry about what YOU can do to help it....that really is, after all why our country is so great...that very spirit, now lets see it.

there may well be no one who has a contact or any information overseas, it may all fall through...but 10 years from now when all our guns are silent...i did not just stand by....

later

 

[Roc Rat]

Just something to think about,,, one of the reasons this idea came up was the ammo shortage,, and the fact that most of the regular importers do not have any,,, IO, Aim, Century, Southern Ammo, SOG, SG etc.

The problem is the UN and they're Small Arms Reduction Treaty. Ammo is being destroyed rather than being re-sold. I have heard that SA has vast stockpiles of 7.62x51,, still tons of 8mm and 7.62x54r,,, The UN don't want the non-state players or the public to get hold of it.

 

[Z06]

ammo

I know ( met him one time ) a guy who imports shipping containers from the philippines all the time. he is bringing in wood models. Unsure of what he will charge or if he could find any ammo. Also would need someone to take care of all the paper work..

 

[franks71vw]

Like I said in the last post I need to know approximately the total number or amount of ammo and calibers we are looking to invest in? Without those numbers this cant start out. I have a guy that all he needs is the quantities per caliber so he can reach his contacts and he has all the permits etc in place with ATF. No one said anything so I moved along. If this moves through I will be willing to show the source etc to other members in the Area and no I make no profit on group buys unlike other people everything gets split..

 

[tanbo77]

Group Buy - Anyone for 8MM Romo??

Hey - Just recently posted on Sturm is a fellow in Dallas with a full pallet (44 crates , 33,440 rounds) of 8mm Romo . . . he's listed it for $8300 , or about 25 cents /round . . . .

Sounds like an opportinuty - or a least someone to ask about where to get it overseas ??

 

[franks71vw]

Hey - Just recently posted on Sturm is a fellow in Dallas with a full pallet (44 crates , 33,440 rounds) of 8mm Romo . . . he's listed it for $8300 , or about 25 cents /round . . . .

Sounds like an opportinuty - or a least someone to ask about where to get it overseas ??

Thats not really all that much ammo really and not a hell of a price i bought yugo for .05 a rd thats a deal hope we could get it is not impossible we need numbers so we can get a quote.. anti up guys and spill your beans.. If I have to get a loan I would.

 

[brassmagnet]

Ammo everywhere seems to be at about 3 times what it used to be. The Romy used to go for about 8-9 cents a round delivered to me, so .25 is right in there now....

Not that I wouldn't like the old days back - I just don't expect it will happen

 

[tribrothers]

Hi,
I am the one with the 44 cases of Romanian. I converted my Maxim over to 7.62x54r, and this is the last of my 100,000 rounds of 8mm. My machine gun collection has been growing, and I have to pay off the plastic.
Tribrothers

 

[nitrovieques]

Frank71

Frank,

well then thats great...tell your contact we want about 10,000,000 rounds of 8mm and the same amount of .308, that should be a good place to start....

later

 

[franks71vw]

ok I will tell him that and he will look at me like a fool unless your will to commited to dropping the dough... Again, I dont know the price he can get them for but I am serious and not playing around

10,000,000, at .05 of 8mm = $500,000.00
10,000,000 at .25 of 308 = $2,500,000.00

Those are just conservative figures so lets say ok we get it at this price When are you all sending me the $3millions needed to pay this off... Again, real expections and real goals please

 

[2ndamndmnt]

I have my brother in law scouring SA. he's there doing security and communications work. has not found anything good to report yet, will keep fingers crossed and you all posted.

 

[pfarber]

Money will always be an issue.. and simply handing it over to a 3rd party is scary for most, with the sums we are talking about.

Most of us know that cash talks, and BS walks. Finding the ammo with 'hopes and wishes' does nothing. Throwing down $1x10^X and saying what you want speaks volumes. But in foreign ammo markets the wheels of negotiations need to be greased, and finding a person to apply the lube is the key (man was that a crappy analogy or what?).

Also, once you're in, you're in. Refunding money is an administrative undertaking that complicates the project. If you put down $10,000 and you need to cover some bills, then you get to sell your shares, for more or less, but you don't get your $$$ back from 'the fund'. You shouldn't spend money you don't have. Bearer bonds put the burden of tracking and safeguarding the shares exactly where it should be, on the holder of the certificate.

My small world is of geeks, computers and code.. I know nothing of importing, politics or shipping.

 

[Bill S]

...I need to know approximately the total number or amount of ammo and calibers we are looking to invest in? Without those numbers this cant start out.....

I think you are putting the cart before the horse. If someone can quote figures on ammo prices, then people will know how much they are willing to spend on it and how much they can buy. If sources can be identified, they ought to be able to quote prices and quantities and tell what price breaks they can offer on what quantities. I never walk into a store and throw my money down on the counter until I know what product they are selling. And I think if you do that with foreign dealers you run the risk of being fleeced. (Never start bargaining by saying "I have this big a pile of money - what will you sell me for it?")

If you find a source of crap Indian ammo, or ordinary ammo at today's domestic retail prices, nobody is going to want to commit to buying a lot of it. If you can get some good stuff at good prices, you'll sell all you can import.

 

[tribrothers]

I would like to see 5 cent ammo again, but there are many barriers

1. Weak dollar
2. copper $3.00 plus per pound from 70 cents
3. lead from 25 cents per pound to $1.50
4 Scrap brass from 1.25 to 2.25 per pound depending on type.
5. Zinc has climbed high, but I don't remember the price.
6. Oil at 90 to 100 barrel raises transportation costs from storage to port, port to port, port to distribution area, distribution to final destination.

Why give away something worth 10 to 15 cents in scrap for a couple of cents? Nobody is going to cut us a deal on shipping, then there is the legal end to importing ammo into the USA. All this can change in a short time, but it has not yet.
Tribrothers

 

[nitrovieques]

Frank

Frank,

i know he will look at you like your crazy! ha ha but that is why we are working on the web site....lets get that up and then go from there...i only shot you that number because you asked for one....first the web site, then the sorce or quote....just ask how much? then post it on the web site, THEN the money will start to show up....when there is enough....THEN make the purchase....

all these ideas are good and most points being made are legit....im sure the founding fathers had many a headache....starting up and all...

later