I hope you are not confusing a 4473 with registration, they are not the same.Thanks Duke I may just be heading down that road. To the best of my knowledge I am still registered owner of the gun. I just want to make sure it is reported as stolen. then turn it in to my insurance and let them deal with the dealer. This has gone on to long. just want to make sure my bases are covered before proceeding.
A 4473 as registration is not what most non FFLs think registration is. In the majority of states once a Title 1 firearm changes hands to a non FFL that so called 4473 registration comes to an end.Actually yes a 4473 is registration, if it were just a backround check the form would not be asking for all the information about the specific firearms on it. Some people think bound books and 4473's just get sent to a warehouse somewhere and are never looked at? Not the case. In his case he's probably referring to some foolishly redundant state registration system?
100% correct. People would not believe the number of times I have had customers contact me wanting to change their "registration" (4473) over to someone they sold one of their guns to. That isn't going to happen.Totally disagree with anyone who thinks that a #4473 is a 'registration' of a Title 1-firearm. The #4473 stays in the dealers possession..BY LAW. It is not sent anywhere,faxed,copied or looked at by anyone...except BATF or local LE and only if a criminal investigation is started. The only other time is once-a-year the BATF can do a "compliance-check' to determine if all the paper-work is in order and all firearms on the dealers bound book are physically present or accounted for. I did this for over 32 yrs and had to teach other FFL's the law and procedures,as most did not know enough to keep out of trouble. Pissed a lot of BATF agents off because they are used to intimidating FFL's who do not know the rules and regs. Kicked ATF agents out of my shop...twice...for being arragont and trying to push the envelope in violation of their own regs and procedures. Rant over...
Yes Len, and then like every other FFL you dropped your license and all these bound books and 4473's went where? Fact is most FFL's turn over rather quickly and all the info is sent out to the records center. Many larger volume FFL's frequently get new licenses so they don't have to maintain those forms at their location/s. Yes ATF also may inspect the forms annually they occasionally take notes of some of the forms and also ask questions directly about some purchasers. It's registration plain and simple, not with immediate results such as some state programs, but it's pretty easy to see a pattern of who's buying what over time. Many people falsely (knowingly or not) answer questions on the forms and while it may not affect you today, it's down the road when these things come a calling.
Are you Hispanic or latino? do you think some of these questions are on there by accident? Or because it's like a telemarketer survey? If it were just a backround check they would phone in your personal info and get an approval or disapproval based on the ID you presented effectively instantly from the NCIC, the questions on the form are for you to fill out redundantly (because they damn well know the answers to all the questions on the form already) and then sign attesting to them.
I frequently teach SOT's how to fill out forms, so yeah I know the drill pretty well. Been through audits, and much, much more. All good, all professional, but then again I never had any problems.
I cannot believe some of you are that naïve. Like guys with CCW permits that think that info is protected :rofl:
Hmmmmm, I never looked at it quite like that before....... interesting perspective, to say the least. I guess I should go polish up my tinfoil hat now.......Thanks, johnson LMG, you may have just sent me over the edgeIf it were just a backround check they would phone in your personal info and get an approval or disapproval based on the ID you presented effectively instantly from the NCIC, the questions on the form are for you to fill out redundantly (because they damn well know the answers to all the questions on the form already) and then sign attesting to them.