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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/08/AR2008020803802.html

Cheney Joins Congress In Opposing D.C. Gun Ban
Vice President Breaks With Administration

By Robert Barnes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 9, 2008; Page A01

Vice President Cheney signed on to a brief filed by a majority of Congress yesterday that urged the Supreme Court to uphold a ruling that the District of Columbia's handgun ban is unconstitutional, breaking with his own administration's official position.

Cheney joined 55 senators and 250 House members in asking the court to find that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess firearms and to uphold a lower court's ruling that the D.C. ban violates that right. That position is at odds with the one put forward by the administration, which angered gun rights advocates when it suggested that the justices return the case to lower courts for further review.

In order to make his dramatic break with the administration, Cheney invoked his rarely used status as part of Congress, joining the brief as "President of the United States Senate, Richard B. Cheney." It is a position he has used at times to make the point that he is sometimes part of the legislative branch and sometimes part of the executive.

"That is one of his titles," Cheney press secretary Megan Mitchell said when asked whether it was significant that he had joined the brief in that capacity rather than as vice president.

The position puts Cheney at odds with a brief filed by U.S. Solicitor General Paul D. Clement, who represents the government and the Bush administration before the Supreme Court. Clement said that the court should recognize the individual right but that the lower court's ruling was so broad it could endanger federal gun-control measures, such as a ban on possession of new machine guns.

Clement urged the court to send the D.C. law, the strictest in the nation, back to lower courts for further review.

The government's position, which technically supported neither the District nor those challenging the law, nonetheless infuriated supporters of gun rights. They saw it as an abandonment of their cause just as the court was ready to interpret the Second Amendment for the first time in 70 years.

The effort to draw up a brief for lawmakers was led by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.). When she disclosed the names of her co-signers on Thursday, Cheney's was not among them. But his name was added when the legal brief was filed yesterday.

Lawyers said it may be unprecedented for a vice president to take a position in a case before the high court that is at odds with one the Justice Department puts forward as the administration's official position.

"To my knowledge, I don't recollect it ever happening before," said Richard Lazarus, co-director of the Supreme Court Institute at Georgetown Law Center.

Bush spokesman Tony Fratto emphasized where the sides agreed rather than where they disagreed.

"Like the members of Congress who signed the amicus brief, the president strongly believes that the Constitution protects an individual right to keep and bear firearms," Fratto said.

"The president leaves procedural questions to the lawyers. What's most important is that this administration firmly supports the individual-rights interpretation of the Second Amendment."

Mitchell said Cheney signed on to the brief because "the vice president believes strongly in the Second Amendment." Reminded that it put him at odds with the administration's official position, she repeated, "It's an issue he feels strongly about."

Neither Mitchell nor Fratto would say whether the president and the vice president talked about Cheney's decision.

"We're glad to have the vice president on board with the Second Amendment," said Alan Gura, one of the attorneys for the D.C. residents who challenged the law. He was sharply critical of Clement's brief when it was filed, saying it was "basically siding with the District of Columbia."

The District's argument takes the position adopted by a majority of the nation's appeals courts that the Second Amendment guarantees a right to bear arms only as a collective, civic right related to military service.

But even if the amendment provides an individual right, as the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit held last spring, the city argues that it may ban handguns if it allows citizens to own other kinds of firearms, such as rifles and shotguns.

Clement's brief said that was dubious but also said the appeals court was wrong to rule that just because handguns are "arms" as defined by the Second Amendment, government cannot ban them.

"If adopted by this court, such an analysis could cast doubt on the constitutionality of existing federal legislation prohibiting the possession of certain firearms, including machineguns."

The congressional brief filed by Hutchison and others said lower-court review is unnecessary because the District's ban "is unreasonable on its face," no matter how lenient the standard of review.

National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre called the congressional brief "a historical message to the court" that Congress believes the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to possess firearms. A statement from the organization said it is "grateful and fortunate to have a friend of freedom in the vice president."

Staff writer Michael Abramowitz contributed to this report.
 

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Can you imagine a country, no matter where you go, you could carry or own any type of firearm you wished,, with the only restriction being that you were not a felon.

Wouldn't that just PISS off the criminals!!!
 

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Wouldn't that just PISS off the criminals!!!
According to the ones I have seen interviewed - yes. A victim capable of self defense is one of their top concerns. Why DC tries so hard to comfort them, I cannot understand.
 

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Can you imagine a country, no matter where you go, you could carry or own any type of firearm you wished,, with the only restriction being that you were not a felon.

Wouldn't that just PISS off the criminals!!!
it's called switzerland:cool:
 

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Holy crapola...this is good news I think

Holy crap...I just saw this post and I must say, it does provide a certain degree of assurance and comfort that so many in Congress have signed onto the stance of individual right. I am actually surprised that they have done this.....It's not something we expect from our Congressional members...wonder if this has anything to do with the upcoming election????


BTW, it really sucks that such an important topic as this, is buried back here in the open talk section. Why can't we have a political forum for things such as this on the front page......I almost missed this thread and information. Thanks for posting it Ranger
 

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On most other gun forums, they have a thread that is directly related to Gun Related Politics. ON the www.thehighroad.org, it is called ACTIVISM, threads that alert gun owners on bills being introduced in State or Federal Congress, for example. It is sad as hell that this forum now puts it in the back seat!!! That is why I have stopped putting VERY IMPORTANT issues on this forum, and my postings have decreased dramatically. Gun owners should be alerted on very important gun issues. OPEN TALK should be for non-firearms issues or firearms chit-chat.

BTW, it really sucks that such an important topic as this, is buried back here in the open talk section. Why can't we have a political forum for things such as this on the front page......I almost missed this thread and information. Thanks for posting it Ranger
 

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it's called switzerland:cool:
Actually switzerland has EXTREMELY strict rules on handguns... Since they are seen as the tool of criminals.

On the otherhand, every household has a fully automatic rifle on the ready.
(And it's required BY LAW. If you can't afford one, one is ISSUED!)

Different culture, indeed. :D
 

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Can you imagine a country, no matter where you go, you could carry or own any type of firearm you wished,, with the only restriction being that you were not a felon.
Yes, I can. There used to be such a country...

It was the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (1776-1934)
 

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BTW, it really sucks that such an important topic as this, is buried back here in the open talk section. Why can't we have a political forum for things such as this on the front page......I almost missed this thread and information. Thanks for posting it Ranger
Exactly why I put up such a stink when "Open Talk" was banished from the main page,,, "F" it,, its done,,, at least the Flea Markets are seen by all,,, we must be thankful for the little things.
 

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Really glad to see that someone in the White House has some brass when it comes to 2A. Since I haven't got a call from John yet, I think McCain should pick him for his VP.
 

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"Restore our Rights, or Dick will take you hunting!"
Hey, he's been known to shoot lawyers....
Thats not so bad, most lawyers are scum anyway :D
 

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Really glad to see that someone in the White House has some brass when it comes to 2A. Since I haven't got a call from John yet, I think McCain should pick him for his VP.
That, or at least someone worthwhile for VP, huckabee or Romney, He needs somebody to be VP who is more pro-constitution and less pro-amnesty.
 
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