[quizkid]

This may be the beginning of the end for illegal activities on our southern border.

http://www.svherald.com/articles/2008/01/17/news/doc478eec23322ae073589156.txt

BISBEE — A local border watch group recently changed its operational name and some of its tactics due to the types of illegal immigrants its members are encountering.

Cochise Borders Civil Defense Corps is now officially known as Cochise County Militia. Bill Davis, the director and founder of the group, said he is authorizing the carrying of rifles and shotguns, in addition to handguns. Members also can wear military-type battle dress uniforms, camouflage gear and face paint.

“The people we are running into are armed and are wearing camo clothes. Sometimes they are military. Sometimes they are the police dressed as military. They are escorting the gun smugglers over,” he said. “We’ve got to fight fire with fire.”

He said the group’s members are not just sitting and watching for illegal immigrants who are coming across the border. Instead, they are out in the woods in lay-up areas or on active smuggling trails.

“The odds are anybody you run into up there is carrying drugs or contraband of some type and is probably armed,” Davis said. “Naturally, you try to avoid any firefight, but sometimes you can’t because you surprise them.”

Davis said by changing the name to Cochise County Militia, the group will have more integrity in a court of law.

“If they are on our soil and are using weapons against U.S. naturalized citizens, it is technically considered an invasion and if you are classified as a militia, you have more legal rights as a border watch group defending yourself,” he said.

The group will hold a border rally in March. Davis said he is looking for serious individuals to apply and help out.

For information, visit www.ranchsupportservices.com.

 

[L999here]

This is the way to go....

Can't give enough credit to our South Western citizens. They are having to fight the illegals all by themselves. Now this is the way to really get some action. As a militia member (Indiana Citizens Volunteer Militia,1st. Bgd.), I am able to relate to these guys getting armed up and ready to fight. Being retired military (USAF) if I was anywhere close to the southern border...I'd be joining up and arming as many of the volunteers as possible....to the teeth. Maybe after they shoot and kill several of these invaders....the local sheriff will wake up and the feds will step in.....but don't hold your breath. They might just get a visit from the FBI and told to back off or get arrested. Would be nice if the local LEA's would join them and sanction them legally. Guess we'll just have to stay tuned and hope for the best.....

 

[GUNRUNNER5150]

if any place needs a militia, its southern AZ.

 

[phalanx]

like i said on the other site ,these guys in Az. ain't fooling around.
Its their State ,and Their Country ,and if Bushhog isn't going to do anything ,they will.
One of them works with me, and N.M. is joining in.
What are you going to do ? attack 200 plus Americans for defending America ?
When your own Nat.Guard runs and hides ?
You read the story ,it was watered down,L999here ,Thank you for your support from our Northern Brothers.
These Militia and Nat.Guard say ,this is not your poor workers ,this is Mexican Military or police ,armed with G3 Battle rifles ,of course taken by our Gov. like no one saw it.
Oh they ain't supposed to ,but ,i hear them rumors about these insurgents being caught by other than our ,P whipped ,Mexican loving Gov. and they were interrogated.

You go Militia ,its your right , the founding fathers were not Dumb butts.

Anyone who doughts this is welcome to join in Patrol ,
Just bring your side arm.

 

[phalanx]

L999here ,Really could use your help. Guard has had enough, BP is ,well they don't know notin,dint see notin ,not in a bad way.
PM ,i will send you #s
Firing on American uniformed forces, or LE on their own soil,in the execution of their duty's is ? well you know what it is .

 

[Bill S]

Maybe after they shoot and kill several of these invaders....the local sheriff will wake up and the feds will step in.....but don't hold your breath. They might just get a visit from the FBI and told to back off or get arrested.

Unfortunately the "special interest" factions hold a lot of political sway. Those who support illegal immigration will want the militia people stopped, arrested, or handicapped in any way possible. And those "special interest" factions are a diverse bunch. The construction industry, despite (or because of) a major economic blow against them, are strong supporters of illegal immigration as a source of cheap (easily exploited) labor. Same with other industries (food service, hotels, landscaping). Illegal industries (people smuggling, drug running) are big business elements in this region, and they don't want interference. Politicians recognize a voting block they can tap into. And there's always the Mexican government, who knows that the big three money sources for Mexico are drugs, tourism, and illegal immigrants sending money home. Two out of three of those depend on keeping the border unchecked.

As far as Mexican police and military personnel being in the middle of the illegal immigrant flow - that's nothing new or surprising. They have always been involved in one way or another in the illegal drug trade, either through bribery or through direct participation. It's only reasonable to assume that they will sometimes be crossing the border to protect their business interests. And you can bet the first time one is shot on this side of the line the Mexican government will swear they had crossed accidentally as part of an investigation or had been in pursuit of a criminal, and that the American who shot them is in fact a criminal. And our own government will roll over and appease them like they did with those two border patrol agents who shot the drug runner (who has since been caught on smuggling charges).

 

[phalanx]

Bill : An armed Uniformed Military coming into this country,for what ever reason ,is an act of war.
If not sanctioned by the Government of this country,to cross any ,Border ,Sea lane ,or Air space ,Armed ,wearing the Uniform of a Foreign entity ,is an act of war.
Pressuring,or threatening local border officials ,in order to gain access ,is an act of war ,and treason.
To allow or profit off of,the transfer of illegal contraband into this country,is treason.
To hire ,hide ,abide, or aid individuals ,Who came into this Country illegally ,is treason ,And punishable by the laws of this country as a first degree felony.
Persons in this country illegally are to be reported to the authority's immediately ,or be arrested for harboring and abating.
If an invading Army regardless of size is seen ,citizens have the obligation to defend this country,at all cost.

Sounds good don't it ,something your founding fathers wrote huh.
NO ,it is From Mexico.
Come on guys ! we have a guest house ,about 1k sq feet, its real nice.
Come stay awhile,go to town,i dont have to say squat,The Mexicans will say it all.
Got any medical problems ? go ahead ,go see a doctor and see what is in line before you even if you have insurance.
WARNING ,dont show them that insurance card, If you go in for a Zit ,after the blood work,the cat scans,15 doctors opinians of what is your problem,keep you over night, your Zit just cost you 15k. Been there.
Go to Wal Mart and listen to announcements in Spanish.
Put your kids in school,and have them come home saying ,DAD help me.
Have drivers with no insurance run into you and run away.
Have your down town look like Juarez.
Every where you look is Mex this And Mex that.

 

[phalanx]

How about the little American white girls 11 years old that come home and don't want to go back to school because a 16 year old Hispanic male is feeling her up? and the school does nothing.
Or the little white boys her age that act like puppy's because the Mexican gangs rule everything,and the women.
How teachers will not even show up for class because some gang member 12 years old told her to beat it,its his class.
Or you bury a family member who was only guilty of not having the key to the safe,and the cops do nothing.
Or where the State Officials are all Mexican,and they smile and greet their kind,and treat you like a dog.

I could go on ,so when you see or read about us saying we have had enough ,I only hope you now understand.
Bush,Mc Cain ,you suck.

 

[franks71vw]

id love to visit you all in April but I have to go see blackrifles at the same time and go to KC. But I have to get stuff done on the east coast id love to go see the border first hand.

 

[Bill S]

Bill : An armed Uniformed Military coming into this country,for what ever reason ,is an act of war.

Agreed, but I haven't heard of them crossing into Arizona wearing their uniforms. The article mentions them wearing camo - but there are legal definitions of "uniform" that are not the same as wearing military-like clothing. Actually, I think it's enough that they are armed - but to meet legitimate requirements for self defense shooting they have to pose an immediate threat. Just being an armed guy wearing camo isn't enough to make a target out of them - the person might just be a hunter. Even if you encounter a group of armed people wearing uniforms - you better be sure they are invaders, and not someone with legitimate reasons for being there. For example, a friend of mine who used to be in the Air Force told me that his group sometimes trained members of foreign military. Obviously the trainees would be here in completely legal and legitimate circumstanceswith no evil intent and with full approvals from all necessary agencies - so shooting them would be a no-no. If you were to encounter a Mexican military unit in Southern Arizona you should definitely be careful, probably report them to authorities, but hold your fire until they did something to indicate they were here for illegal purposes and doing something threatening. But if they are doing something obvious, like guarding a line of mules carrying marijuana or hearding illegal immigrants - then have at it.

 

[phalanx]

Bill: go to Ranch Rescue .com Look at the Vids,does that look like they are not in a Mexican Military uniform ?
And WTF are they doing in that uniform poking around on our side of the border carrying a G3 Battle rifle ?
Look at the archives ,60 miles into the State of Arizona ,with an armored vehicle ,waving a Mexican flag ?
Troop escort with 30 men ?
After they went to a ranchers house and arrested him and his family for shooting at Mexicans eating his cattle ?
And we did nothing?
Some of you guys up North get it ,some don't.
Come stay with us one month ,just one ,then go back and tell the truth.
See things the Media isnt telling you guys about your Country.
Oh ,its just us,give it time and they will be in your yard also.

 

[Bill S]

Some of you guys up North get it ,some don't.

Phal, I haven't checked out the videos you mentioned, but what you describe is definitely an invasion. And the hostile action you describe would fully justify a militia response.

And just for the record - I hope you didn't mean me when you said "you guys up north". I live south of Tucson, and from my back porch, if the Santa Rita Mountains weren't in the way, I'd be able to see the Mexican border. I've also got some land in Cochise County on the east side of the Chiricahuas by the New Mexico state line that's even closer to the border. We see the damage done by illegal immigrants all the time, and hear plenty of stories. Ranchers fences being torn down, robberies in outlying areas, etc. Go for a hike in any of the back areas around here and you see trash - discarded backbacks, water bottles, clothing. One hiking area northwest of Tucson, up in the Watermans over by Silverbell Mine, is so trashed that the county parked a roll-off out there with signs in Spanish asking the illegals to please throw their trash in the dumpster. (Lot of good that does - the container is usually empty, with trash all around it.) Even environmentalists and field biologists are freaking out about the damage being done to the habitats.

One story I'll toss in here - A couple friends of mine are field biologists doing a study on a population of rattlesnakes in one of the mountain ranges along the border. Part of this study involves surgically implanting small radio transmitters into the snakes so they can be tracked and relocated. A few years back one of their snakes "disappeared" - radio transmissions stopped. Shortly after that, the biologists discovered a campfire - and the remains of the snake and the radio. From what they were able to piece together, someone (almost certainly an illegal imigrant) had killed the snake and started skinning it - and discovered the "hidden" radio. The radio was stomped and ruined - the biologists figured that the imigrant probably thought this was a new trick from the border patrol and freaked out, destroying the radio and getting out before they were caught.

Again, I haven't checked out your videos yet, but I know a number of ranchers along the border areas, and have seen a lot of the damage from illegal immigration myself. But I haven't heard of any military incursions like what you describe. Maybe that's a New Mexico thing, following on the tradition of Pancho Villa and his Columbus New Mexico raid?

 

[blackrifles]

Phalanx,

I have to go take care of some biz, I'm going to PM you later, we need to talk, this is another thing I wanted to discuss at KCR in April.

 

[phalanx]

No Bill i didn't mean you ,i should have directed it where i meant it to go ,sorry man , I meant Washington .
That incident with the armored car at first was denied by Mexico ,until a guy posted photos of it at Rance Rescue with a familiar land mark in the back ground. Then they said it was a joint training exercises with the U.S. Army .till the Army said it didn't know anything about it.
Then Mexico said the group was lost and was attempting to get back home ,and Mexico didn't know anything about the Family that disappeared.This has been a long time ago when RR ,first opened its site.
Even then you cant call what happened an invasion , just a violation of Americas sovereignty.
The Minutemen say they have seen crap like this before ,but not recently.
The head of the N.M. chapter said Mexico will roll Armor right up to the border in some sort of stare down match with Americans Though.
On the RR site and the (build a fence site ) they have the video taken of the three or four Mexican solders ,armed ,poking around through some bushes looking for something.
The Mexicans don't seem to know they are being taped,so who ever is doing it must have one hell of a camera.
also as he tapes you can here him talking to his buddy ,so they had to be far away.
Stuff like ( oh my god can you belive this s$$t ).

 

[phalanx]

Here is one link ,it seems they changed thier name.
http://www.ranchsupportservices.com/
http://www.weneedafence.com/
http://www.rense.com/general48/crss.htm
http://mhutch.blogspot.com/2006/01/mexico-border-control.html

The last one is old but very interesting.

 

[blackrifles]

Phalanx,

Dad had a heart attack this morning, he's doing OK now, I PMed you.

 

[47lincsled]

invasion!

What do you call 2 million illegal aliens crossing your border, if you were france and they were german it was an invasion, so it is here, for anyone who doesn't watch Arizona news you would think they were just coming here for the jobs that Americans don't want to do, but every night on the Phoenix news there is a gun death or home robbery or rape of little girls, they really like little girls, it's nonstop, i couldn't imagine to trying to raise kids in crap like that,i know all big cities have crime but down there they just go home for a while then come back, or go to another border state, the only thing that keeps me watching the news is to see what sheriff Joe has done to piss off the liberals lately, I love that guy, I'm amazed they haven't killed him yet, the big bussiness that is trying to hard to keep the status quo where it's at is who I think would kill him if they thought they could get away with it, I have a good friend that lives down there and his house is a fort, he has bars on all the windows and huge boards across all his doors, his kids can't play outside without an adult in sight, and he still sleeps with a loaded .45 at his bedside and a AR-15 at the door, they won when we have to live like that!

 

[M16er]

I'll be down in Tombstone with the wife Feb 15th. Staying at the Larian. Just a getaway and see the area. Might be worth it to go over to Bisbee and check it out.

 

[phalanx]

LE don't care, Officers do ,but the higher up don't.
Illegals Murdered my wifes cousin , Because she only had $20.00 ,Officers care ,higher up don't.
Going to trial , The Family got their house ( Tagged ) as the Mexican gangs call it.
Gang crap painted on your house , Little girl going to a friends house ,Beat the crap out of her.
Her Boyfriends house smashed all to crap,Mexican flag on his car.
Witnesses in the case ,told they were going to die for the Reconcista.
An old woman who saw the Murder ,has her tires slashed ,and a Mexican flag on her car.
Bush ,LE ,all of them dont give a S$$T ,now we have a$$ wipes trying to disarm us.
Its going to break guys i am not kidding .
The Cowboys have had it .
Gentalmen ,i dont leave the house with a CCW anymore ,i leave the House with an H&K 91.

 

[47lincsled]

enough!

problem is that anyone upsetting the system would be the one going to jail, just like those border agent that did thier job, the powers that be don't want any thing to change so anyone standing up for this country and our people will be crusified by the media as vigilantes and would most likely end up in jail, if it's going to stop it's going to have to be done with out any one knowing who is doing it, thats the only way the garbage coming across are going to be afraid,if they don't know where the next armed and angry patriot is going to pop up.