Colt 1928 Aircraft Machine gun

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TiredIron

Discussion Starter · Jan 7, 2008

This is offered over on subguns
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.12038.1.jpg
Serial# C-102043-A, .30-06 caliber. This has a 25 1/2" barrel including the recoil booster, the bore is dark with distinct rifling. The recoil booster has a reduced caliber with a muzzle i.d. of .23 caliber, likely for blanks, this can be easily be bored out for .30 caliber use. This gun is based on Browning's patent of Feb. 4, 1919. It has a pistol grip with bakelite grip panels, no sights, and a ventilated barrel jacket. The top of the barrel jacket is marked "1" with punch dots. The gun appears to be complete and in working order, only one small mounting bracket is missing from the right sideplate. There seems to be ample mounting brackets to adapt this to a pintle for a tripod. This was covered in black lacquer at some point, and where the lacquer is worn (principally on the barrel jacket) the metal retains most of a dull blue finish that is believed to be original. All of the factory markings are in excellent condition. This is fully transferable on a Form 3 or Form

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Colorado1919

· #21 · Jan 11, 2008

TiredIron said:
Something else I have thought about over the last couple weeks while people here have been arguing about what something is and what something isn't.....and I'm right and your wrong....and "mine is correct"....or "Mine is MORE correct"...even though NONE of them are actually "correct"...or even "Machine Guns" anymore. 50 to 200 years from now....people are going to be finding.....discovering....locating in your grand kids attics....even digging up (due to our Governments decisions and rules made since) buried "Belt Fed Weapons" of every size, color, configuration....that all of us here have reassembled from "what we thought"...."what we had"..."What we thought it should be". Weapons with the strangest sideplate markings and serial numbers known to man. Enthusiusts of the time will be arguing.......
"Damn it ...Browning DID TO make semiautomatic machine guns cause I've seen one...I KNOW WHERE ONE IS...blah blah blah. I've seen one with a water jacket that was HALF the length of what they show in the great books!
I know they even made 1919A4 and 17A's that fed ammo from the right side!
"BLASPHEMY"........
They also made them in Calibers and Cartridges you would never imagine!
These Enthusiusts will have logically reasoning to back up every modification or change in configuration they come accross.
So Gentlemen...Ladies...take satisfaction that there will be no end to the HAVOK you are creating....the changes to history that will last EONS.
Thank God we have the correct examples and the documantation before us today to substanciate and argue about what we do today.
TiredIron

Never thought of it that way. But part of the reason I'm building my 1917a1 with Lou's jacket is because I want to leave something behind with my name on it.
And it is great to think I'm going to be confusing some people 200 years from now. Still I do believe there will be people who can find the history and keep things stright. Just look at this thread.

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Lucky#13

· #22 · Jan 11, 2008

southbysouthwest said:
I agree and I was actually having a little fun with this as well.
However it was YOU who made me find my Vol 1 amid the clutter.

Hey, I blamed you first! Nyah, nyah, na nyah nyah!

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Mouse

· #23 · Jan 11, 2008

southbysouthwest said:
However it was YOU who made me find my Vol 1 amid the clutter.

I love it, Dueling reference books at 10 paces!
Last man without a paper cut is the winner....

On your mark.... Get set.....

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loboslanding

· #24 · Jan 15, 2008

Sorry for being so slow to respond. The original '28 internals were found to not be as stout as the 1919's so OOW opted for the 1919 internals with the exposed driving spring rod.

I worked my a** off on that pneumatic system for the 50 BMG and I even went to two pneumatic cylinders; one 4" dia and one 3.5" dia and ran 130 psig and the thing still wouldn't full length resize a 50 BMG case...no matter how well I lubed it!! It worked great though and I adjusted the die up or down to match the piston stroke and it would have worked perfectly had I gone to a 8" cylinder, but I ran out of patience and already had about $500 tied up in R&D

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The two cylinders I used produced a combined pressure of 2882 pounds and that wouldn't do the trick. I finally got smart and did what I should have done in the first place and ran the calc as to how much force I was exerting on the 18" long handle on the press and putting 200 pounds of force on the end of that lever produced about 3600 pounds of total force...duh, I should have started with a 6" cylinder, but it would have worked better with an 8" and I could have just dialed the air pressure back as needed whereas the 6" would have been marginal.

At least now I can make a pneumatic lift with the old cylinders to lift the front end of my 4x4 Tahoe or the bike

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KABAR2

· #25 · Jan 16, 2008

TiredIron, I like your post about future arguments some 200 years in the future, but it's just history repeating itself, in the 1800's people were reproducing 15th & 16th century armor, and cobbling together bits and peices from original suits to have complete suits, arguments have happened over this, ever see a re-enactment at an original battle site? I lost a nice antique Austrian musket tool(early 1800's), screwdriver pin punch combo at one site, 50 years from now some archaeologist will swear that that style of tool dates back to the American Revolution! Heck they may call our era the "Golden age of beltfeds" but it may be that all our discussions of these fine guns will be able to be bought by the scholars of that day on memory chips, and sift through all the trash and find the gems of discussion of these fine weapons.

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