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I know this isn't about guns, but it does take money that we could use towards more toys and ammo.

I originally got this from an AirTrans email.

http://capwiz.com/sosnow/issues/alert/?alertid=11571321

This link notes that the same barrel of oil is being bought and resold over and over before ever being delivered and could be adding $30-$60 per barrel!

It gives you a link to your U.S. reps and sends them a canned email that you can change, which I would suggest.

If you would please pass this on.
 

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I really don't see this as a solution. On the one hand, I am sick and tired of paying $4 for a gallon of gas, but on the other, I am not willing to put a strangle hold on free market capitalism to save myself a buck.

P.S., did you see who was behind that organization? The Air Transport Association of America
 

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I have been telling people this for 8 months , and they ask me how the hell do i know that . BECAUSE in the part of the Oil Field i am in ,counting barrels,who bought them , how many ,where they came form and are going is what we do.
Sort of like the Oil Cops ,but we cant arrest ,only report it, and that isn't being handled after we do.
Oh they think they are being sneaky , and they were 7 years ago,but our new equipment isn't falling for that anymore.
And that is why in a few weeks it is going to catch up with us , and we will have a shortage 100 times worse than the one in the early 70s.
I tag a barrel in one place ,be it on paper or the real thing or in a calculated reserve as belonging to this guy ,he just bought.
Then the same barrel is said to be over here some where else ,belonging to the people the first guy got it from , but coming up again because someone is buying it from them ,as a different barrel but coming from a pre calculated source that say you dried it up counting each barrel, you would come up way short.
I ask to see shipping reports and they say they are on the way.
I never get them , so now the same barrel has been sold twice looking like two barrels ,but is only one.
And this shell game is relying on a constant flow but in the end its going to be like your gas gauge says you are on a half tank ,when you are empty.
Also the price goes up at your pump because all the charts say we have all this oil,but retailers are getting shorted in their supply being told its because its going up to $150.00 per barrel, the spot market is all bought up and take it or leave it.
Another thing ,when we went to Iraq ,we heard all about the oil we were going to now start getting ,why do we not hear anything about that anymore ?
And why do i show a tanker taking on oil at a terminal in the pacific rim ,loading enough oil to fill a little tanker because only they can get in that terminal.
Then it would unload in San Diego being normal ,but it never shows up there.
But shows up in Houston as a super tanker with a half load ? a route used from the middle east .
Then radio logs show it stopped in Vasquez Mexico unloading ,then coming here .
 

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The worse thing a person can do is nothing.
I will do anything I can to put pressure any where I can.

I would rather run out of gas than buy it from one of the importers like Exxon/Mobil, Shell, etc. and have darn close to doing just that
I have the luxury of living in TEXAS and have done the research and do not buy from any company that imports.
Plus I don't want ANY of my money to benefit any terroist friendly countries.
My version of "free market capitalism" does not allow me to support any of these companies.

I am not sure of what "free market capitalism" really is any more.
But "free market capitalism" does mean I have to accept the shell game we are getting now.

When someone is being F'ed over as bad as we are; I don't really care if Hillary. Diane Feinstein or the Air Transport Association of America was behind putting a stop to it. The ATTA has just given me ay easy way to voice my disapproval, so thanks to them.

If you really want a reality slap of "free market capitalism", research Exxon's future strategy that has recently been reported. They have no real interest in oil exploration and their plan for the future is to milk this to the end, take the company private and then let just let the company just fold up.

It is ridiculous that we have to pay even $.01 than we have to for oil and to have oil juggled around just to crank up the price, that is really friggin ridiculous.

There are times when you have to say wrong is wrong and if it takes big brother to rein this in, bring em on.
 

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I really don't see this as a solution. On the one hand, I am sick and tired of paying $4 for a gallon of gas, but on the other, I am not willing to put a strangle hold on free market capitalism to save myself a buck.
I'm with you on the free market, but how free is it? The federal government will imprison or fine to hades anyone who attempts to drill for oil or build a refinery. I also suspect the few (5?) CEOs that run the show all belong to the same country club where they *might* discuss pricing from time to time. If the government would get out of the way and allow competition, fine but as long as the pols insist on a closed market there should be oversight. I prefer the former but don't see that happening in our lifetime.

Also, didn't one of the big boys get dinged with a fine last year for market manipulation - causing false shortages in some areas by diverting gasoline elsewhere so they could crank the price? Smells bad - really bad.
 

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LoneRanger, I also agree that if we are going to have a closed oil market that it needs to be regulated, but I don't think that it is a feasible way of conducting business in the long term.

That's why the Drill Here, Drill Now movement is so important. The whole reason that Congress will not allow exploration and drilling in the Gulf and Alaska is because the majority of them want to cripple our economy. They are Communist and Socialist.They don't like capitalism, and will do anything they can to put a hault on it. Ever notice how every one of these idiots is a staunch supporter of the "environmental movement." Environment my ass, they don't give a damn about the environment. It's just a cloak to cover their true mission of destroying our economy.

Even if we can get exploration and drilling opened up, then what. Where the hell are we going to refine it? No oil companies are going to build refineries with a Congress in place like the one we have now. There's just no incentive to build when you have clowns like Hillary saying "I want to take those profits!"

And now for a dose of reality regarding those profits. I am so sick of the term "windfall profits". Sure oil companies are bringing in record net sales, but their profit margins are shrinking. So in reality their making less money today than in the past.

Who do you think really gains from oil profits? The executives, managers etc?Sure they do, but so does every shareholder in the company. Shareholders such as pension plans, retirement funds, and teachers unions. So when Hillary says that she wants to take those profits, she's actually going to be taking money out of the pocket of people that think she is helping them.

America has been systematically dumbed down. We have entire generations that are so ignorant about how things really work that they will allow themselves to be manipulated by this asinine idea of "wealth envy"!

WAKE THE HECK UP AMERICA!
 

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What they are doing is illegal , I have seen them catch this before and stop it before it gets to far. But this time its like everyone is doing it and you cant nail one MF down. For it to get this far and big this fast it took BIG money to do it.
When everyone was blaming the Saudis i knew it wasn't them ,they are not smart enough ,they are watched to close ,and they don't need the money.
The speculators were not the ones as was reported , There are not enough of them with the money to pull off a world wide deal like this. They saw it happening and jumped in to get a cut ,but that is only less than 1% the same as it has always been. Then people blamed China ,not China ,she was having fuel shortages with her own Military. Big Oil ? most of them drill ,produce ,refine ,sell at the pump ,its all in house ,the one thing they did see was this happening and took advantage of it. Thats what we see ,greed ,but not the cause.
I was talking to a Center of ours in France 3 weeks ago , i told her about the Tankers we were watching . She said she hadn't noticed any thing , two days later she calls me and says , Ah Ha , Then she said , Dont follow the money ,follow the really big Boat !!
To make it simple ,Tankers are like an Armored car ,trusted , but this isn't money being counted , this is only a certificate of bought amount left lets say Saudi Arabia .
Arabia sends this to a center like us to be logged as avalible supply ,it dosent tell who bought it or how much money it only says how many barrels and if it was allotment ,and that can be several allotments they supply ,and to who or how much is their business. But say we get a big amount reported filled.
That many barrels would have to be a Super Tanker , we get no destination on this ,only oil added to the combined market supply amount to be split off in big or little amounts. If it were your Tanker ,Saudis tell us how much left there. Tanker pulls in ,the terminal says how much it received that day .
Matching the supply and demand numbers. Then ,only the buyer ,the tanker ,and in the end who bought it from the original buyer knows all this.
We keep track of supply ,we are not the money people ,but we can see shenanigan's going on real fast.
The Super Tanker that loads in Arabia , leaves there , its load will show up soon by a reporting terminal somewhere ,as long as that Terminal plays by the rules and so does the Tanker. But it stops in some place and unloads looking official ,but isn't. then heads to another terminal to unload what is left.
So some where someone is stealing oil this way at the $52.00PB price , or even better , the UN subsidized $ 25.00BP controlled by the UN for developing Country's ,dropping it off in that little Country who never sees a Super Tanker ,But gets its oil so what ,then heads someplace and sells it at the $150.00 price. Still fooling us for awhile because the supply looks the same ,but the jumbling of the price as to where it is supposed to be isn't.
In other words the supply looks steady , but the the alloted price index is fouled up from cheap oil allotments being used up , faster than it should be and only the high Dollar stuff left.
Saudi Arabia is a free flow producer ,in other words all it has to do is open a valve and it flows. Venezuela is a producer but needs equipment to produce
it . Chavez could be in cahoots with a little UN subsidized country ,who gets it cheap . Buys its Dictator Gov. oil for some cut back ,and get it cheaper than he could produce it.
Then sell it to us at the going price.
Another scenario is , who hates the west so bad they have the Money to screw up its Economy ? by doing the same thing ,and also screwing the Saudi Royal Family and all the other traders in bed with us.
what i have described is called,Shuffling , its been tried before by idiots but they were caught.
It takes a lot of dedicated people , who will not rat it out , if you had people on the inside thats even better they, would be hiding the money.
Like i said,Very Dedicated ,like a Religon comprised of extreme radicals.
and if caught would die before talking , if they could pull it off they could watch their enemys fight umoung themselves.
 

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You sure said a mouthful there. If I understand what you are saying is this: Someone or some group is pulling the strings, making us dance like puppets and noboby in our gov't is not in any position to stop it. We fall for the bait that is put before us, speculators, big oil, winfall profits and all that is is just a smoke screen.
 

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And I would wonder if at least ONE of those little African "stopovers" might be in somewhere like, say, Somalia? :rolleyes:

My other obvious (to me) question would be WHY is our CIA and our NSA not on top of this, and "correcting" the situation, in their traditional manner? Do you REALLY think they are unaware of this situation? And if not, then WHY? :cool:

It does also suggest another possibility- that PERHAPS this alleged plan to collapse the US economy in September is being manipulated BY certain assets in our government, in an attempt to counter the economic warfare of countries like China and the OPEC nations by eliminating both their export market in the US and the value of the US currency they hold. If so, it's a pretty extreme sacrifice to put the citizens of America through, but as they are aware of China's rapidly expanding military (based on growth from exports to the USA, in no small part) and their plans for our complete destruction, then perhaps they consider this to be the lesser of two evils. After all, IF the Federal Reserve is indeed a private banking institution, then it *COULD* be bankrupted and its notes devalued, while the US government then returns to issue its own currency backed by either gold, or quite possibly, US oil reserves (which would also put some explaination behind Pelosi's recent comments about wanting to nationalize the oil industry).

Basically, it would be using the US Federal Reserve note as a trojan horse, to drag down the capacity of our enemies to continue waging economic warfare against us, and that might also reduce their capacity for other more traditional methods of warfare as well. And in the process, it would offer the US economy the chance to "reset" with a new currency, and a good reason to try and rebuild US-based industrial capacity as our foreign sources would then no longer have as much leverage over our economy by manipulating our markets and dumping their slave labor goods on our shores, to the benefit of a few.

Granted, this is all speculation on my part, and it may be totally off base. But it does stand to reason that SOMETHING is going on that we the sheeple are deemed either unworthy of knowing or incapable of grasping the need for sacrifice in order for this to succeed in the long run. What that is, remains to be seen, but it certainly is having its effects felt.
 

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I may be one of the younger people on this board and some of you may not appreciate this as much as I do. I just got this DVD and watched it lastnight.. then I read this this morning and it made me think of this song during the concert... ive been coming to this board for a while and have the same feelings as most of you here and last night was the first time I really listened to the lyrics of this song... but remember , they are lyrics so you have to read into them... ok enough, found the clip of it on youtube.. lemme know what you think... I know the lyrics, the song is Bullet to the Blue Sky by U2 if you wanna look em up... but its how they started the song that caught my attention lastnight.... enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4LJFSCgxvk
 

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Well, with the Cult of the Obamanation and its mantra of "change", I think a more appropriate song for your generation to pay attention to the lyrics of would be this one:

Won't get fooled again
 

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lol, Oh I know that one too.. I might be younger, but I was raised on the Who, Hendrix, The stones, pink floyd, CCR, The Band and all the other great classic rock.... thanks to dad.. actually saw the who in concert with dad about 8-10 yrs ago
 

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The meaning I got out of that U2 song is anti-gun/Anti-American. In some of U2's concerts they show images of Nicaragua and people shooting guns killing etc. To me the song is a way for U2 to express their dislike in American gun laws. Bono has always been so anti-American anti-gun. Anyways sorry for being off topic.
 

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It'll be interesting to see how much our oil increases in the next 8 months, the democrates have it in their mind to screw over the americans, yesterday I heard that oil prices had fallen to an all-time low for this quarter something like $6 fell off-honestly its not a big deal, I'd like to see the oil market have the rug pulled out from under it, the rest of the world would be upside so fast they would reach climax in seconds, while the US prospers from the drop. like that will ever happen
 

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The Bottom line is i don't believe anything anymore about this oil thing.
I do believe we have only seen one person telling the truth in all of this.
The Prince in Saudi Arabia when Bush pointed his finger at him , in so many words he said ,,,Pleaseee.
Yes the CIA knows this , but what are you going to do ,re task all your satellites here and there to watch a Boat ?
Jump one Country , then run real fast over here to catch another one.
Send your Navy to go bully around the Captain of an oil tanker ?
Its been long known that the real thing doing this is ,Shuffling , it has all the ear marks. But it is slowing down ,this means that more people are waking up and seeing it for what it is, and the once impossible can happen . When i posted this on another site in March ,a man who obviously knew the Stock Market wrote in backing me up ,only confusing people still thinking its speculators. He said in his job he had read about this , how it was possible but he had never seen it, and speculators could never bring it to this scale. And to him it is the only thing that made any sense in this ,and he would tell his friends about it and they went and read books on the subject.
Once thought as impossible to achieve ,now looks like it is possible.
And i agree with what he said he hoped isn't next ,i never thought of this .
GOLD , Gold can also be subjected to this because of the paper funny money Gold certificates floating around.
Something Wall Street said when this paper gold started showing up with idiots buying it. It is a Pyramid scheme ,and it will collapse the economys of the world 10 times worse than oil.
 

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I used to think Bono an U2 were all anti american, but after payin more attention to them I realize it is anti killing, anti globalization type stuff... now dont misunderstand me, Im not against war, but who here wouldnt love to see a true world peace?? Its not gonna happen with big govts like UK, US, China, France, Iran, Korea all at each others throats fighting for power. money, oil, etc......


but back to the topic, obviously this whole oil think is entirely out of hand, but who is pulling the strings is what I wanna know.. and when the bottom falls out whats gonna happen?? is the gas shortage you say that is coming up the trigger for the economic collapse that is also said to be coming???? I mean I was thinking about this today, I drive a lil over 70 miles each day back n forth to work.. if it gets to a point where gas is to expensive or I cant get enough then im not working!!! now I would behave myself, but others that are in the same boat as me quickly turn to crime to survive and then we are involved in a domino effect...
 

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I went back and reread this post.... you said it... looks like you may be right
 

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And since this post came back up, I think I'm beginning to see one more piece in the game. Here in Tennessee, we are having huge gas shortages with many stations completely out of gas to sell. Now, we are being TOLD that it is due to the recent hurricane in Texas around Houston and Galveston shutting down the refinaries, and therefore the colonial pipeline isn't flowing gas to here, or Atlanta. So it's having to be trucked in, a drop at a time. And of course, panic buying empties the stations as quick as they get it, and the prices at first jumped to over $5/gal and then came back down, but the flow is still reduced.

Now, on the surface, a hurricane sounds plausible. But knowing this bit of inside information from Phal, it ALSO seems like a perfect excuse to rationalize away a reduction in supply. Instead of admitting that we are low on oil because they left a big part of it in Africa and South America on the way from Saudi Arabia, they just play it off as being weather related. Yet, they also say on the news that the oil rigs out in the gulf of mexico were not damaged to any great degree, nor were the refineries themselves.

Do I smell a cover-up here? Somebody using this as a way to keep the sheeple from going ballistic as the oil flow comes up short at the final destination (the pumps)? Or is this just nature adding to the problem? Anyone in Texas know if the refineries are back operational again yet? And is the colonial pipeline they keep referring to being kept turned off with or without a technical reason?
 

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Joker,

3 days going, I told LR most gas stations here are OUT of gas by noon or earlier, as soon as they get some delivered early morning, there's a line to the road and beyond, people always topping off their tanks, wipe out one station and move to the next, even at $5/gal they're taking it. I wouldn't say it's pure panic-YET, more annoying than anything and people are rude. You have some people on the roads late at night (like me-coming home from work) but you pull into the (only 3 all-night) gas stations and see the difference in buyers, it's mostly punk/doper kids running the roads HEAVY, all looking for their next fix, we can joke we KNOW who they'll vote for, all you have to do is look at the bumper stickers. :rolleyes:

After hurricane moved out, my info is the refineries and rigs were up the NEXT day, somebody is manipulating the supply!
 
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