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Did anyone see TNW's ad in Shotgun News?
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Yea, that's been a "Hot Topic" over on the fifty board on and off ever since TNW posted the warning about garage built guns on their web site.
Funny though I had a TNW that failed horribly
and ended up building my own in a garage.In the end I opted for TomT's design over copying TNW's because IN MY OPINION it is better.
As of yet I don't know who TNW is refering to about a "copy".
Funny though I had a TNW that failed horribly
and ended up building my own in a garage.In the end I opted for TomT's design over copying TNW's because IN MY OPINION it is better. As of yet I don't know who TNW is refering to about a "copy".
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maby its a stab at allied armament??As of yet I don't know who TNW is refering to about a "copy".
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I personally wont support companies like this thanks tomt
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TNW and customer service
I tried to buy a tripod from TNW about a year and a half ago. Called up and got a nice lady who took my order info. A couple of weeks later I called again since the card hadn't been charged and nothing had arrived. Was told that it would have to be built but that they had the parts. Two weeks after that I called yet again and was told they hadn't had "time to get to it".
That soured me on dealing with them again. At least they never charged my card.
I tried to buy a tripod from TNW about a year and a half ago. Called up and got a nice lady who took my order info. A couple of weeks later I called again since the card hadn't been charged and nothing had arrived. Was told that it would have to be built but that they had the parts. Two weeks after that I called yet again and was told they hadn't had "time to get to it".
That soured me on dealing with them again. At least they never charged my card.
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It is a stab at ALL builders other than TNW. Be it Tom T @ KMP, John McQuire, Ed @ CWA, Allied Armament, ect... They seem to be pretty proud of their stuff and put down all other builders including all of the homebuilders as well.maby its a stab at allied armament??
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Now that is false advertising as well as slander. They are claiming that "home built kits" are illegal, when in fact, they are not.
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i think there just mad cause allied stole part of there 1919 sales.
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1919a4 sales were "stolen" years before Allied Armament got into the game. TNW makes some nice stuff but they are spendy. I personally would love an MG34 but it costs more than a 1918A3 BAR and to be honest looks like a lot less work.
The article said they spent a quarter mil developing it and my guess is they made that back in the first 250 orders. They never have a sale, never discount for NRA members or GI's, never post on boards and genrally consider themselves a cut above.
I like a kiss when somebody wants to stroke a few thou out of my wallet. Ordering from someone who thinks I should be thankful for the privilage does not cut it.
I've spent plenty on my hobbies over the years. If you are a prick, someone will replace you at 2/3rds the price and then you gotta write snotty comments on your webpage and hope people return.
The article said they spent a quarter mil developing it and my guess is they made that back in the first 250 orders. They never have a sale, never discount for NRA members or GI's, never post on boards and genrally consider themselves a cut above.
I like a kiss when somebody wants to stroke a few thou out of my wallet. Ordering from someone who thinks I should be thankful for the privilage does not cut it.
I've spent plenty on my hobbies over the years. If you are a prick, someone will replace you at 2/3rds the price and then you gotta write snotty comments on your webpage and hope people return.
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"They are claiming that "home built kits" are illegal, when in fact, they are not."
Yes, home built kits are legal providing they are built with an ATF approved design semi-auto trigger and sear assembly, which should come with an approval letter.
I know that some semi-auto kits did not come with an approval letter because of all the requests over the years for copies of approval letters from TNW for their M2's and 1919's and US Ordnance 1919.
Yes, home built kits are legal providing they are built with an ATF approved design semi-auto trigger and sear assembly, which should come with an approval letter.
I know that some semi-auto kits did not come with an approval letter because of all the requests over the years for copies of approval letters from TNW for their M2's and 1919's and US Ordnance 1919.
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Sorry to burst your bubble. There is nothing in federal law or state law which dictates a home built weapon is only legal if accompanied with such a letter, or if built according to any design approved or dictated by ATF. I don't know where you got that from, but it is incorrect, just factually wrong.
If you stand by your statement, please post a link to where this legislation, statute or regulation can be found. Otherwise, be aware that uninformed people browse this site, and could be wrongly influenced by comments such as those.
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If we are to be realistic, having a letter from ATF saying this or that, carries as much weight as used toilet paper. Look at Bill Akins, multiple letters to and from ATF, obtaining approval for something, then look at the current status.
All we as gun owners can and should do, is do things within the scope of the law, as it is written. You stand as much a chance of being screwed following the law to the letter, than reaching for extra comfort blankets like approval letters. If they (ATF) want to flip flop on something, it is much easier for them to do it by recalling an approval letter, than by flipping on written law/statute/regulations. It is not a guarantee that they will not violate the law itself, as they have shown capable of doing, but it's all in the same.
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the only letter i read was for a different gun and moderately different set up. using an sks i think. but point taken. but any comfort at all is still better than none at all.
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"If we are to be realistic, having a letter from ATF saying this or that, carries as much weight as used toilet paper."
If this statement is true then why do people go around securing ATF approval letters when building a semi-auto firearm from a beltfeed machine gun parts set?
I will check around the ATF site on making semi-auto firearms from machine gun parts kits, maybe contact the tech branch about design approvals. I know the 1910 Maxim builders would not move ahead on building their semi 1910s until they had an approved design with the ATF approval letter in hand.
If this statement is true then why do people go around securing ATF approval letters when building a semi-auto firearm from a beltfeed machine gun parts set?
I will check around the ATF site on making semi-auto firearms from machine gun parts kits, maybe contact the tech branch about design approvals. I know the 1910 Maxim builders would not move ahead on building their semi 1910s until they had an approved design with the ATF approval letter in hand.
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Here we go again....
In addressing a citizens right to manufacture a home built weapon, federal law does not differentiate between one type or another of firearm. Only that the firearm built must be legal for that person to possess and have. There is no mention of how it is being made, or what parts are being utilized. A machine gun that has been demilled or otherwise referred to as a parts kit, is not a firearm, it is only a bunch of metal machined parts, hence, it is not a machine gun. It does not make any difference what it "used to be" at one time, if it has been properly demilled, eg. no receiver, then you can build it however the heck you want, as long as what you finally end up with, cannot fire more than one bullet with a single operation of the trigger, without manual reloading. The rest of the laws and rules that you must abide by are also clear, such as 922r, the parts count etc.
I can tell you, without any hesitation, that there is NO requirement for an individual to secure any type of letter or approval before building a home weapon, as long as the end result is not a machine gun. This is factual, and I am confident enough to repeat it again.
You should check out the federal regs to satisfy your hunger for knowledge, however, tread VERY carefully about calling up ATF tech branch or any other division and start asking too many questions. This is exactly what one fukcing dumb ass did regarding the Akins Accelerator, and we see what came of that. If an answer is already in front of you (if it is not stated in the regs, then that is your answer, it is not illegal), asking too many questions about it may end up stirring the pot enough to create the very thing which did not originally exist.
Just because a bunch of people go around doing something, does not mean that they are right.
In addressing a citizens right to manufacture a home built weapon, federal law does not differentiate between one type or another of firearm. Only that the firearm built must be legal for that person to possess and have. There is no mention of how it is being made, or what parts are being utilized. A machine gun that has been demilled or otherwise referred to as a parts kit, is not a firearm, it is only a bunch of metal machined parts, hence, it is not a machine gun. It does not make any difference what it "used to be" at one time, if it has been properly demilled, eg. no receiver, then you can build it however the heck you want, as long as what you finally end up with, cannot fire more than one bullet with a single operation of the trigger, without manual reloading. The rest of the laws and rules that you must abide by are also clear, such as 922r, the parts count etc.
I can tell you, without any hesitation, that there is NO requirement for an individual to secure any type of letter or approval before building a home weapon, as long as the end result is not a machine gun. This is factual, and I am confident enough to repeat it again.
You should check out the federal regs to satisfy your hunger for knowledge, however, tread VERY carefully about calling up ATF tech branch or any other division and start asking too many questions. This is exactly what one fukcing dumb ass did regarding the Akins Accelerator, and we see what came of that. If an answer is already in front of you (if it is not stated in the regs, then that is your answer, it is not illegal), asking too many questions about it may end up stirring the pot enough to create the very thing which did not originally exist.
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you can say that again
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Lol...I like that...
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