[csa4ever2001]

Im strongly looking at buying a FN Police model semi auto shotgun.. The price tag is 1400.00 Has 9 shot capacity. 22" barrel black. Looks sweet from a picture. I just dont want to end up with a POS. Having a problem in pond with beavers and turtles and im out to settle a score on private land, but would make a great home defense gun to. Anyone here have one of these that could shed some light on the company and other information would be great. I have heard of them but i dont know how there products are. Thanks so much

 

[Rory]

i have an hk fabarm that i might be willing to release from the vault if you are interested.


rory

 

[csa4ever2001]

had a bad experience with an Hk rory

 

[blackrifles]

CSA,

I've got to say if Rory owns it, it will work, not like you're being a "beta tester" when you buy NIB, I'm not real happy with latest domestic "big name " firearms and their cast parts, been there and got a screwing.


Honestly, most folks around here buy a used semi-auto Remington, either build it up "ATAS" or send it off to a pro to get extended mag tube and the works, most have roughly the same invested in it that a Benelli costs, but don't have to grab their ankles when ordering spare parts.

 

[xdevildog]

Have an 870 with a Surefire foreend and a VangComp 18" barrel that was build up for me at the Gunsite shop over ten years ago. It does everything I need a shotgun for and does it very well. I even shot trap with it once as a joke and did just fine.

But, back to the original question, $1,400.00 is mighty expensive to get rid of beavers and turtles. Dynamite is cheaper and way more fun.

 

[blackrifles]

T-rite beaver/turtle traps!

 

[Ouchman]

At $1400 I would pass. Get a nice used rem 1100 for about $300 and "customise" it to your specs for a few hundred more.Hi cap tube, slug bbl, composit stock, rails,sling, pistol grip. If you shop around prolly cost you $550-$700 total for a great shotgun that you can use for just about anything, clays ,birds, deer, intruders, pesky critters....
Better yet find out where the local PDs sell their old guns and go shopping there. My buddy is responsible for all the weapons in his dept. He keeps me up to date when they are retiring weapons. He tells the store which ones we are interested in buying back. (They also supply the depts all the new weapons and ammo at state contract price). For examples in the past I've picked up for $75 for a High Standard 12ga. pump Riot shotgun, $195 for a S&W Sigma .40 F nearly unused as it was a spare for the dept. Also when they turned in all the .40s to go with new .45s there was a whole lot of .40 ammo that wasn't needed any more. But maybe the best part was the LaserMax "sight" that replaces the recoil spring guide--- freebie!
Personally I prefer a .22 for turtles as it's easier to cook them. My brother in law likes to mess with the beavers that dam up his brook. He keeps them real busy blowing up their dams. Eventually he traps a few and sells their fur. So far the little critters have done a great job of clearing the banks of the brook (which local zoning won't allow him to do) and supplied him with lots of wood for bonfires.
Keep posting and let us know what you decide. FN used to make some great stuff but I can't vouch for current production. All the Browning shotguns I own are older Belgian and not the newer Nipponese so I can't critique them either. I'm not sure exactly where the FN you mentioned is made but it might be here down south. Someone here surely would know for sure.
HTH

 

[belt fed frog]

The Dam Notice

i know i was hanging on this for a reason

The DamNotice



This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries regarding a pond on his property. It was sent by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan . This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter.


SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County
Dear Mr. DeVries:
It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond.

A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations.

We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted.
The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2008.
Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action.. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative and Water Management Division.

Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries:

Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County
Dear Mr. Price,
Your certified letter dated 11/25/07 has been handed to me to respond to.
I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget Lane, Pierson, Michigan .
A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris."
I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.


These are the beavers/contractors you are seeking. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.
My first dam question to you is:
(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or
(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request?
If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued.
(Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental
Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.)
I have several concerns. My first concern is, aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names.
If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English.
In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).
So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2008? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them.
In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality, health, problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! The bears are not careful where they dump!
Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.
THANK YOU,
RYAN DEVRIES
& THE DAM BEAVERS

ROTFLMAO

 

[blackrifles]

BFF,


LOL! Holy sh*t, that was EXC!!

 

[Rory]

i totally sent this to a few people
with disclaimer true or not this **** was funny

 

[blackrifles]

A relative of mine lives not too far from here, moved here from Kali and now living beside a remote stream, been dealing with beaver dams for over a decade. It was the people downstream raising hell with Feds, "Do some thing about the beaver overpopulation..OR WE WILL!" When the dams broke during rain season their community was a mess for months, initially state/county basically told them "Tough sh*t, MOVE!" and was snooping around their property, I know of 2 instances where guns were leveled on creepy doper/trespassing environmentalists, "eternal buzz" retards that were related to local politicians.


Whole thing came to a head 3 yrs ago, over 200 property owners showed up to raise hell with county and state, the beavers are now being trapped/killed/relocated and dams blown apart, state/county offered to help with various permits to those residents, whether permits revoked in future or not, the entire rural community has declared war on the beavers. Some of the ex-mil/LE obtained EXPL permits, local SWAT offered to help out, funny how the Feds are now polite when visiting that area, trust me, it's NOT a place to make enemies, I lived there for 22 yrs.

 

[Hole_Puncher]

For that money you should look at a Benelli M4.

 

[NATCHEZJIM]

Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!