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fallschirm@peoplepc.com said:
After twenty years in the service I retired and later became an NRA firearms instructor. About two years after that the NRA sent a mandate to all instructors.

1: Fulfill a quota of trainees and report the count to NRA.

2: Charge the trainee an amount dictated by NRA.

I was retired and wanted to train young people (or old people) I don't give a damn. Some people couldn't afford the fees! The NRA forbade me to teach for free. What does that tell you? Does the NRA want gun safety or money? You be the judge.

I QUIT!.....But I still take teens and ladies to a range and teach them for free. Not being licenced means I just pass on free gun information and hands on instruction to who ever wants it. It's legal if I don't charge anyone. Unfortunately, the poor student gets tips and training but NO CERTIFICATE SO THEY CAN GET A CARRY PERMIT.

PS, NRA has a reputation for making deals in the capitol concerning our rights. THE SECOND AMMENDMENT IS NOT NEGOTIABLE!

Check out the JPFO. They want to ABOLISH the BATFE WHO HAVE NO CONSTITIONAL RIGHT TO EXIST!

Good luck my brothers in arms and: "Keep your powder dry" (I don't know who made that quote but it sounds kinda neat to me.)

nra freind or FOE, thats not a hard one, FOE!!!!!!

Did all you "Join the nra" people read this post? Tell me where in that post it sounds like they care in the least, well, other then about linin their own pockets with $$$ and lots of it? They have how many members 5 million? What are the dues per year, cant remmember but its what $30, im sure more. $150,000,000 a year plus the $$$ they get from all you folks that think they care and make a difference, everytime they call tellin you about "Some urgent emergency that requires more $$". So 150 million dollars a year and do you see them tryin to help? Hell no, their too busy shopin for cars, houses, property (but not in KALI, they dont like gun owners) and other items that YOU bought them. They thank you. F&%K the nra. Let me ask you this, is membership up or down from lets say ohh 10 yrs or 5 yrs ago? I bet its down. I wonder why it would be?
 
Reading this thread makes me want to PUKE! All you Kal bashers can KMA! The only whining I see here is from tourists!

$150M/year. 50 states. $3M/state? That's outrageous! :rolleyes:

The anti's spend 4 times that/year nationwide trying to get more anti's elected. And those of us behind enemy lines are supposed to turn into France all of a sudden. You've lost your FN mind all of you above smaking on the PRK! We're fighting like hell! George S is spinning Doub8! That crap should cost you some Hail Marys'. And your so anti NRA it's abnormal. Jeez! You going or gone VonDoub?

DO NOT FORESAKE THY BELTFED BROTHERS!...

Until you have the facts...

and it turns out he's a FN IDIOT who was BREAKING THE FN LAW! No flash hiders in Kommiefornialand! Duh.
And as far our legal loss as AB-50 goes, anyone who DROS'd a fifty here better have AW registered it, or notified CA DOJ of the disposition of the weapon before 4/30. People who bought previously and didn't AW register will be bummed when MIB shows up at 3:00am! Duh!

No matter where you live, you better know what you have and what the FN law is. And then keep fighting to stop new laws that suck! Take the NRA off the scale of orgs fighting the anti guns, and we ALL lose! NRA member or not.

Doub8: BTW, thx for welcoming those 2 new members on the other thread with such open arms! They are both from KAL. :D
 
Well...

Well I guess since we are 1/6th of the U.S. population you guys out of state are gonna have to understand there is social engineering going on in this country it starts in California bottomline... Resistence is quiet and subdued, nobody wants to be labeled a gun nut...
Whats this with the NRA blah NRA blah NRA blah bash bash bash.
NRA = a lobbying organization yes they need money to do what they do... Duh

Now my top ten reasons not to leave...

10. One of the most beautiful and diverse states in the Union to hunt fish and shoot...
9. When we know a natural disaster is coming we get the hell out of its way and watch it on TV...
8. When faced with natural disasters or riots our guns do not get conficated.
Ex. Earthquake of 1989 and LA riots of 1992 and yes those were Asians on top of a liquor store with UZI's and AK's
7. If California were to fall off from the Continental US don't worry we would have it re-attached in a couple of days don't bother sending Federal aid we've got a country to run and don't have time to bother with waiting on the little ol' Fed.
6. Miles of some of the most beautiful coastline and ride-able surf in the Nation.:cool:
5. Well simply The Women...
4. NASCAR hardly ever gets rained out in here in California
3. Looting and chaos well... We wrote the book.
2. Well if this state sucks so bad why do you guys keep coming here.
Our state motto was "The Golden State" Now its "Welcome to California now go Home you Grapes of Wrath lookin' Mutha"
1. We live in a very Target Rich Enviornment (Illegals, Commies, Socialist, etc.)...

For the people that support and stand behind us in this state thanks... The top ten list is only for amusement and not to offend you guys I think this has really gone way out of hand from what this thread was originally started about. It was about a guy having illegal weapons as defined by the DOJ CA, and technically I don't think that it was as bad as the harassment you guys had back east at the gun shows... My friends socialism is coming it's a matter of time... Be prepared you soft slippered arm chair warriors...
 
You guys just let me know when the nra gets there and makes it allll better, OK.
Why arent you guys protesting??? The illegals are getting their way because they did. You guys wont fight for what ya want because it interferes with the beautiful women, ridin the most ride-able surf in the nation, watchin NASCAR cause its not rainin, standin on top of stores shootin at looters in riots and so on. But....You want us to listen to you guys whine, and then you want us to fight for ya because your trusted nra wont.

It would be TOTALLY different if we saw you guys fighting this, i would bow down and lick my nuts and be more sympathetic and supportive, i dont mind helpin someone who wants to help himself.

I wont pick up a hitchhiker on the side of the rd who sits on a cooler with his thumb out, hes not tryin! The guy whos walkin backwards with his gear on his back and has his thumb out i will stop and give a ride to, hes tryin to get there, hes not lazy waiting for someone else to do all the work for him. MAKE SENSE??? Get off the cooler and make your voice heard, quit waitin for someone else to do it.

Every gun site you go to theres always posts like "Can we do this in kali?", "Is this legal in kali?", They wont ship to kali", "they took more of my rights here in kali". I think alot of people are so tired of hearing about it and not seeing any action being done they just blocked you guys out. But yet you call me the "SOFT SLIPPERED CHAIR WARRIOR".....I suppose your the tough warrior cause you argue with me, someone who can get you nothin but a heart attack, go fight the ones that count. You better step back and look in the mirror, but be carefull, them slippers wont protect your big toe from gettin stubbed if ya hit somethin with it.

Lets see,......... have you guys put this much effort into protecting your gun rights? Instead of trying to protect, you want to argue and *****. I wonder why your rights are gone?
 
Oh poor me

Oh poor me I have no rights my state government is so oppressive:rolleyes:
Yeah I Guess my only option is to become a Jack Booted Thug... or maybe I should join Handgun Inc. and help them out by putting everyone on a level playing field by telling people how dangerous firearms are and become a self hating gun owner...

Whats the deal with all the NRA hating did you guys not get your hats or key chains when you signed up...

Come On everyone lets say that filthy little word Socialism.:D

Guess when we have our Belt Fed shoot tomorrow we'll just sit around and complain and not shoot our guns...
 
When you shoot, are you using the serialized ammo or not???

Do you have any ammo after they confiscated all the good stuff?

If i recall they didnt go threw with the serial #ed ammo but still yet, leave it to KALI.

The reason i dislike the nra is they pick and choose what gun owners they want to help, oh and are just $$$ hungry. They decide they will help (or lead you to beleive they do) those of you that own this weapon, but not this weapon. They helped get the 86MG ban passed, cause they dont fight for all guns.

Their bigots, no better then a hate group, we will fight for the white mans rights but we draw the line when it comes to fightin for the blacks, jews, asians or anyone else, but we still want the asians, blacks and jews to send us $$ to fight the cause. Screw em!

Look, i hope the best for all of you, despite what it sounds like in my posts but this just gets me hot. Maybe it is because i know that it may spread to the rest of the country some day, or just because they get by with it like the gubment does on soo many things i disaprove of. Whatever it is, you guys just lay down and take it and then complain to us about it. Stand up and fight. If that were happending in my state i would be organizing, helping to organize, rallying, screaming, kicking doing whatever i can to atleast let it be known im not happy with it. I see nothing of the sort in your world. Why it bothers me i dont know but it does. I want you guys to be able to enjoy the same rights as us, i dont wish anything bad upon you, were all in the same fight, just different areas. Instead of getting together to shoot, why dont you all get together to fight, the legal way and get somethin done. Its just gonna be worse for your kids and their kids if you do nothing now. I want my kids to enjoy the same rights i have today when they are my age with their kids. To me thats what its all about. I could turn major profits off of my MG's but choose not to cause my kids enjoy this as much as i do and i cant put a price on that. Can you? The nra does and they will call you up sometime this week to tell you how much they need for it.
 
Double8

Double8
I'm going to join in even though it won't make a differance.
Your a perfect example of trying to talk to one of our state reps or congress critters. You don't seem to get it.
I'm not complaining except about your rant.

First off if you don't live in California you really don't know anymore than what you hear, not what you have actually witnessed ,or seen, or done here.
So that makes you nothing but a noise maker and pot stirrer.

You think the illegals gained anything from marching in the streets. I think not.
It didn't change my mind a bit but I guess it changed your mind.
To bad that you are so easily swayed in your stance on illegals by wathing them ditch school and loose a day of work.

Your day will come .
I hope you haven't burnt all your bridges .
I'm not real sure were you live but I'm sure you take the good with the bad there as well.
There is no perfect place anymore.
What you gain on one issue you sacrafice in others .
You just have to figure out your priorities.
Guns aren't everything.

Get down off your soap box walk over to the wall and start talking to it .
You'll get the same reaction from somebody who is anti gun no matter were you live. You can't beat them , you can't hit them , you can't piss on them.
Well I guess you can all it's going to do is cost you money and make a mess out of your house which you will have to fix anyway.

All you can do is teach by example the ones who are going to get it will .
It took along time to get screwed up. It takes even longer to fix it.

You remind me of somebody that pee's his pant's in a dark suit.
It give's you a warm feeling while your doing it but nobody seems to notice.

I hope you will rethink your anti California statements but if you don't no big loss we don't have room for anymore anti's here.Kind of like the shepard turning the wolf onto the stray sheep he's supposed to be helping.

Nice of you to welcome our two new California beltfed brothers to bad you really didn't mean it.

All that anger and to think were supposed to be on the same side.

GW
 
GW
First off if you don't live in California you really don't know anymore than what you hear, not what you have actually witnessed ,or seen, or done here.
So that makes you nothing but a noise maker and pot stirrer.
D8
OK very true, but then the person that started this thread led us to beleive the swat team just kicked in a innocent mans door for no reason other then havin a gun. Then we later find out he was knowingly breakin the law, so lets get our facts straight from the start. You too.
GW
You think the illegals gained anything from marching in the streets. I think not.
It didn't change my mind a bit but I guess it changed your mind
D8
Yes they gained national media, everyone heard about it, and isnt there a bill up that says somthin along the lines of alot get to stay? I havent kept up with it cause all it does is piss me off.
GW
It took along time to get screwed up. It takes even longer to fix it.
D8
OK, i agree, but whos tryin to fix what? Have any of you made a scene yet????
GW
Nice of you to welcome our two new California beltfed brothers to bad you really didn't mean it.
D8
I did mean it when i welcomed them here, dont care where their from, were all in this together, just some value their rights enough to fight....some dont.

Why arent any of you explaining why you arent fighting this??? What are you gonna do about it, wait on the nra? Instead of argueing with me explain to us all what your doin to help your selves. This thread has been viewed 1,900 times, people from all over are awaiting your response, all they get is you guys argueing and you wonder why your loosing your rights. Enjoy your shoot tommorow, it may be your last.
 
Nothin to say???
Your best response is a smiley jerkin off? Yall havent done enough of that as your rights slip away?

My only question that i can come up with is

What are you doing to stop any of the madness? Are YOU trying to make a difference?
 
nra has a nice museum, but they don't have my bucks -- other than cheap eats in their cafeteria. TRY GOA AND JFPFO in one wants to see ACTION on our goals!
 
What are you doing to stop any of the madness? Are YOU trying to make a difference?

What am I doing?

How about replacing Bill "guns are bad, mm-kay?" Frist with a REAL conservative?

That help? :cool:

(though, I still need to figure who the REAL conservative is, in the next couple of weeks)
 
when you weed through all the bullshit and posturing thear are alot of good points being made about the laws in cal., the NRA, and the general I DONT CARE atatude

first we cant aford to abanden cal." and hope it falls in the ocean" the rest of the country needs thear electoral votes it takes like ten "FREE STATES" to mach cal. votes

I felt the same way about the NRA
I beleve the leadership of the NRA has ben infiltrated by anti gun factions and is more then happy to see us venting our displeasure hear on a plublic forum.
We would all be better served venting our displeasure with fhe HRA drectly and try to force some change within the leadership.

and on the I DONT CARE atatude, we better start careing, that good guy from one of the free sates that runs for office dam sure cares and will pander to cal. votes to get elected

hell we dont need to leve cal. we all need to move there hell even if you dont live in Cal. write old arnarld and tell him its bullshit thay need all the help thay can get, Its much better to help someone who needs it

and if you dont like my spellin then kiss my ass

LOL in cal. we may *****,we just gotto focious it in the right direction
 
Double 8

Well this will be my last post on this subject.
I can't seem to figure out why we owe you an explanation or have to prove anything to you.

What facts did I get wrong from the start?

How does your bashing us help?
I'm glad so many people have read this thread.
It may help out a few others.

What kind of scene do you want. And how will that help?
Find me a gun friendly news media.
Most gun owners are already aware of the problem.

Like most of the Calif. board members we come here to ask questions and hangout with like minded individuals.
I don't come here to complain about Calif. gun laws.
This is the discussion board.
We can agree to disagree thats healthy.
Your the one arguing ,were just talking.
Your the one doing the name calling.

Last time I looked "Can we do this " and "is this legal " are questions.
"They won't ship" is a statment
And I believe your the one doing the whining and complaining about the NRA and Calif.
I'm not a big fan or the NRA either but there making most of the noise right now on the media scene and you see how well thats handled. I agree with GWR1 ,GOA and JFPFO do more for me.

Someday I look forward to having a cold one with you or sending some lead down range with you . Not fighting over what state we live in. For now I'll stay in Calif. The good still outways the bad for me . Guns aren't everything. Taking care of my family is and I can do that here. And still fight the fight.
If we all left it would be like quiting. And who would be slowing them down from coming after your state.

GW
 
I don' think the illegal alien protests went as well as the lawbreakers expected.

I have a job. No time to march and make gun owners look like extremists. I have to feed my family and avoid becoming a burden on others in society.

I am a member and donate to the California Rifle and Pistol Association. Here is what they are doing about California legislation:

http://www.crpa.org/showpages.asp?pid=1047

Here is the CRPA's victory garden of legislation they have successfully opposed and supported:

http://www.crpa.org/showpages.asp?pid=1006

The CRPA solicits support from the NRA with regard to some legislative matters, but the CRPA does not take direction from the NRA nor wait for them to act.

The NRA is primarily a lobbying organization now. While they don't always act the way I think they should, I think that they are really the only force right now effectively opposing the gun control lobby. I don't think that the JFPO or any other organization has even a small percentage of the NRA's effectiveness. Like it or not, compromise is sometimes required in life.
 
Laying low in Commiefornia

We have fought long and hard here, I remember standing up on a chair in front of the line of people going into the Great Western Gun Show at the Pomona Fair grounds(the largest gun show in the US), begging them to get involved, fight for their rights (I was running for the Assembly) and told them if they didn't there would be no gun show to attend.....most scoffed at me. I didn't realize how profetic I was!

When I'm retired, my kids are set and my folks are in a home or passed on, I am moving to Arizona, Nevada or Louisiana! I hope I make it in the next five years before some moronic automaton with a badge comes for me and provokes me. I've been in public safety for 28 years and I fear the government here more than fire, disaster or even criminals. Government beyond the small municipalities here is a total failure and just continues to be propped up by circumstance and luck. I hate to have to leave but it may just come to that.

So far this business has been religated to LA county only. But its the same experiment that has been tried elsewhere(New Orleans, Virginia, etc), they are just looking for it to take hold....

I've seen the full gambit of stuff politically, JPFO and GOA (which was started in California as the GOC and evolved into a separate GOA) are all fine but they don't help elect legislators. The NRA has a separate branch called the ILA and they have hocked the silverware at times to fight in elections. I ran for the legislature in '90 and '92 and without the NRA it would have not happened. Paul Payne and Ed Worley are personal friends of mine and Wayne LaPierre will never forget the tounge lashing my wife gave him during a heated meeting of activists to make sure that our principles did not suffer from political expedience. I've spent time in his office in Fairfax and had a tour of the museum by Tanya Mitaksa, who was head of the ILA then. This is not an operation of a bunch of bureacrats who don't care one way or another about guns. The NRA staff is mostly made up of gunners just like us (to include a range inside the HQ). Sure they got some warts and sometimes they have to chose what fight to take on, sometimes better to win a few than loose them all. Anybody that wants to cast stones is doing so from ignorance.

I remember standing on a street in Claremont with a protest sign against the gun ban in '89 when the governor came to give a speech, along with alot of other NRA members but it never made the news(did I see any of you there?). We beat a handgun ban in '82 that was a ballot initiative and ever since then the antis have tried to avoid a real election with an up or down vote on guns in this state. I put myself in a hole financially to run for office and only now is evening out (just as my daughter is starting a college debt that makes my mortage look like a car loan).

People, we can rant and rave all we want but the truth is we live in a mass-ocracy where numbers count, not what the Constitution says, not what common sense or tried and true ideals say but what the mob says (as interpreted by the elite media and acted on by the ruling elites). If there were 20 million NRA members or some other similar organization, there would be no unconstitutional gun control, period! The fact that the NRA was only around 2 to 3 million for 30 years and jump up to 4 million and approaching 5 in the past 10 years says something for its effectiveness and its direction.

So what are we going to do? My suggestion is we convince those who don't think they will come for their over and under shotgun someday. We convince those who never will own a gun that they are safer with their neighbor having one cause the criminal won't want to guess who is the easier victim. And we have to chase the treasonous scumbags out of office. We do that by joining up in one major organization and put up the funds to do the job. Put up or shut up.........simple.
 
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