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i should actually clarify that a bit before someone says that they made those top covers for A4s also

that slot milled into the top of the top cover would be correct for an A6 and a later A4
the slot was milled because of the taller adjustable front sights.

the slotted cover came about around the same time as the A6 so theoretically an a6 should have the slotted cover

at least how i understand it :)
 

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i should actually clarify that a bit before someone says that they made those top covers for A4s also
You wouldn't be thinking of me, would you? ;)

B.A.R., do you know if those adjustable front sights were around in WWII? I don't know what year the second model adjustable front sights were adopted, but that slot was needed only for the third model, I believe. And I could be totally wrong on this, but I thought that third model was post war. Since the A6 was the last gun manufactured, from the Korean war up through about 1957, more of those would have had the latest front sight and cover. I have seen WWII covers with that slot added later. BA manufacture, for instance. The third model sight would be a retro fit on any A4s, if I am correct.
 

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You wouldn't be thinking of me, would you? ;)
no not really - A good member from the way back old forum by the name of Lorenzo was plumbing me up on this subject long before i ever had the pleasure of speaking with you lucky - to be honest, it was kind of meant more for him cause he told me in PM once that this topic drove him nuts :).

it is my understanding that the cover was milled to clear the adjustable front sight.

it is also my understanding that all 1919a6s should have a milled top cover

and it is also my understanding that any a4 coming back in for rebuild should have all the revisions and updates applied to it which would mean it would need the top cover milled for the adjustable front sight.


so - to recap - it is my understanding that A4s CAN have that top cover, but all a6s SHOULD have it cause that revision was around before they started making A6s - therefore i just call the thing an A6 top cover.

i know its not technically an A6 top cover, and i knew some nit picker would be around to tell me i was wrong (which of course i admit technically i am wrong, and also a nit picker) so i fealt i needed to clarify :D:p
 

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Ah, good old Lorenzo. He popped in here a couple of weeks ago. I hope he comes back some more! I learned a lot from him.

Just to stir things up a bit ;), the drawings I have for A6 stuff show some interesting things. The July 22, 1943 List of Drawing Specifications shows the same old milled cover as the A4, and this includes a revision date of November 30, 1945. The cover with the corresponding number is still minus the slot for the adjustable sight, and it is the 1931 drawing with a post war revision date.

The second model sight, adjustable with the round lock nut, shows an initial drawing date of May 16, 1946. If indeed that is the first introduction of this version, then that certainly clinches the notch as a post war revision. I don't have info on the third model sight. And I need to check out the second model on a gun and see if it clears the cover as is, or if the notch was needed for that. I'll update this after I get to that.

There is a separate drawing number for the cast top cover. I don't have it, but it is illustrated as an alternate. No notch on that either, nor can I pinpoint what revision first introduced the cast version. Only revisions 15 and 16 are listed, so this drawing is a late one with much info deleted.
 

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Somewhat related to this discussion is the misconception that 1919A6s were only assembled with top covers that have the elongated hole at the rear of the top cover near the latch. Lorenzo squared me away on this bogus notion but only after I paid some extreme amount "for a proper A6 top cover."
 

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Yeah, this is one of those topics that generate a lot of debate. I know Lorenzo was able to study many examples of live, original guns, and made detailed observations regarding the history of markings and how things changed during the rebuilding programs. The differences of bottom plate markings, which kkkriverrats and I have been deeply immersed in of late, is one of the tales told conclusively only when one had the RSP still intact, so that a distinction could be made between guns that were still in original state and those that had been rebuilt. The RSP was always marked by the facility that rebuilt it, so Lorenzo found the patterns of component markings that were consistent with a rebuilt gun, and how this differed from the gun as originally manufactured.

My theory on the A6 specific parts is based on the fact that there are far more pictures of Korean period and later A6s than there are of WWII vintage. So one mostly sees guns with the later parts. But in my search of drawings and dates of origin of many parts, I am finding that many A6 associated parts did not appear until late in WWII or after. That cast top cover with the elongated hole is still something of an open question. The elongated hole is specifically an operation required by the one piece construction, as opposed to the earlier assembly where the extractor cam was a separate part, riveted in place. On the casting, the retaining slot for the cover extractor spring had to be milled from the top, hence the elongated hole. Now those covers were made by Saginaw originally, part of the ArmaSteel conversion efforts. What I have yet to find is the date that cover first appeared. I don't know if it predated the inception of the A6, coincided or came after. That is crucial to the question at hand. I am going to try and acquire that drawing and see if that can be determined. I'm just not convinced the cast cover was on WWII A6s from the inception. There seems to be little question that the 1950s production A6s had the cast covers installed. That still leaves open whether or not those were WWII SG covers from inventory or were new ones made in the 1950s. Both RIA and SAK produced the A6 in the 1950s. RIA made 5,421 and the SAK numbers have not come to light, same as for M37 production there. I have never even seen an example of SAK engraving for the A6, but I am scrounging up marked parts when I can find them. Man, I love the minutiae!
 

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I previously conferred a PhD of 1919A4/A6-ology to Lorenzo. Based on your below dissertation, I’m now conferring the same degree to you. Nice research.
LOL! Thanks, OldSoldier. Just remember that Lorenzo was my professor in PhD studies of 1919A4/A6-ology! And B.A.R. gunner has been my Dean, guiding me away from such blasphemous activities as making a 1917A1 out of a 1928 jacket. He was my conscience! Thank goodness for ohioblacksheep, who gave us all a new way.
 

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And B.A.R. gunner has been my Dean, guiding me away from such blasphemous activities as making a 1917A1 out of a 1928 jacket. He was my conscience!
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Im proud to know that i was an influence in that decision!! :cool:
 
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