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Yesterday, a fellow gun nut at work was telling me he heard that the Department of Homeland Security has been buying up all the 5.56 it could get its hands on. Has anyone here heard anything on this?
The Gov't in general is buying all the 5.56, plus a few dozen other calibers, that can be made, for obvious reasons over-seas. We (military) are literally going through BILLIONS of rounds
When we engage its with overwhelming firepower.
Now why would DHS buy all it can? Same reason PD's are, the military eats so much of it that other gov't agencies, federal, state and local, dont have ammo to train/qualify with.
Local Yokel PD's can probably get away with going to wal-mart and picking up a few boxes of 9mm, big out-fits like DHS (think of all the LE agencies with-in the DHS! Coast Guard for example!) needs TONS of ammo.
Thats a big reason why ammo is so pricey.
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they do a lot of drug enforcement for someone not in law enforcement
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I just spoke with my best friend, a coast guard CWO, and he concurs he has heard something along those lines, but really did not have any more info on it. I do know that during Katrina, he and I had talked and he related how they were flying helicopter flights to pull people off the rooftops, and were limited in the ammo they had been given from the armory. He said most of the units working the Katrina fiasco were low and limited on ammunition supplies.Yesterday, a fellow gun nut at work was telling me he heard that the Department of Homeland Security has been buying up all the 5.56 it could get its hands on. Has anyone here heard anything on this?
When I was with the guard, it was not homeland security, it was actually under the Department of Transportation, and we never had issues with ammunition supplies that I can recall hearing about.
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looks like enforcement to me http://youtube.com/watch?v=esS-YLoBLyE and i know this is for fun http://youtube.com/watch?v=WSCw2iIuV1A&feature=related http://youtube.com/watch?v=Iv8dYajK5s4&feature=relatedYou must be mistaken as well. Are you sure they do alot of drug enforcement?
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above and below the sea http://youtube.com/watch?v=dq-rk6ZITgI&feature=relatedand http://youtube.com/watch?v=5B8YFUar9J0&feature=related
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OMG greg.....what are they doing? They don't realize that they are not LE, they aren't supposed to do that are they?
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Negative.
Of course we do buy the most! But Uncle Sugar in general has a high demand
I wont post all the press releases, these gguys have BILLIONS in contracts, and some of the biggest went to DHS, given the size of DHS that is not a shocker. They are also our main civilian supplier!
http://atk.mediaroom.com/index.php?year=2007&s=press_releases
ATK is the largest, Lake City was at max capacity just from the Army two years ago.
Even IMI has to help out:
Israeli company to help make up U.S. ammunition shortage
Jun. 01 - Israel Military Industries (IMI) will help the U.S. Army overcome its ammunition shortage, caused by fighting protracted wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Ha'aretz reported. The New York Times quotes a US Army spokesman as saying that the US armed services needed 300 million to 500 million rounds this year alone, beyond the 1.2 billion already being produced. All production currently comes from a factory in Lake City, Mo., that is owned by the Army and managed by Alliant Techsystems. In the meantime, the Army has already arranged for two contractors - Winchester, a division of the Olin Corporation and the state-owned IMI - to provide an additional supply this year.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2007/01/sec-070104-atk01.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Aug17/0,4670,AmmunitionShortage,00.html
If your job requires that you pack heat for Uncle Sugar and are amung civilians, you gotta be qualified. Zappin a civie in the hott place is one thing, but goin loud in suburbia is bad press
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Actually Coast guard is not LEOS they only wrok along side customs liazons and that customs officer carries the authority to allow the Coast guard to help even though they may not even be onboard (go figure) You think the FBI, CIA,DEA,ATF etc has power go figure what agency doesn't need probable cause. Some of mere su****ion is all they need and you can be kept in limbo sorry for spelling i am falling asleep.
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CG does not have Nexus Authority let a CG guy or gal step on my nexus and his rear end will be grass and I am the lawn mower. I will try and find it for you as I am sleepy tired after building and parkering the 50 and 1919. Guys start build more you wont have alot of time. lol
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you break the law in front of the coast guard, you go to jail,sounds like a cop to me ,glad they are out there ,we need more of them , I would not argue with them if I were you, they carry big guns and they know how to use them
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if he sees you breaking the law, he has the same powers as an officer, he has a radio he can call the one with jurisdiction, just like any officer out of his or her jurisdiction,I would not tell them to go away,you will be the one going away ,their jurisdiction does not stop at the water line
Where does is say DHS is buying it up? I don't see it there...Negative.
Of course we do buy the most! But Uncle Sugar in general has a high demand
I wont post all the press releases, these gguys have BILLIONS in contracts, and some of the biggest went to DHS, given the size of DHS that is not a shocker. They are also our main civilian supplier!
http://atk.mediaroom.com/index.php?year=2007&s=press_releases
ATK is the largest, Lake City was at max capacity just from the Army two years ago.
Even IMI has to help out:
Israeli company to help make up U.S. ammunition shortage
Jun. 01 - Israel Military Industries (IMI) will help the U.S. Army overcome its ammunition shortage, caused by fighting protracted wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Ha'aretz reported. The New York Times quotes a US Army spokesman as saying that the US armed services needed 300 million to 500 million rounds this year alone, beyond the 1.2 billion already being produced. All production currently comes from a factory in Lake City, Mo., that is owned by the Army and managed by Alliant Techsystems. In the meantime, the Army has already arranged for two contractors - Winchester, a division of the Olin Corporation and the state-owned IMI - to provide an additional supply this year.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2007/01/sec-070104-atk01.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Aug17/0,4670,AmmunitionShortage,00.html
If your job requires that you pack heat for Uncle Sugar and are amung civilians, you gotta be qualified. Zappin a civie in the hott place is one thing, but goin loud in suburbia is bad press
I know DOD is buying is up, hell half of the training ammo we received in Iraq was new contract stuff - some of it was WOLF production in NATO specs.
Not necessarily. You spill oil even on purpose you get a fine. Coast Guard's authority is more civil/administrative law than criminal law. It is akin to a MP arresting someone on post. If they detain a civilian, they have to call the Local PD to press charges or call in a Special Agent. Our resident "I've done everything secret squirrel" alamosaddles has no clue what he's talking about. In fact, LEO is defined under the 6(c) section of retirement. I'll find the code for you if you'd like.
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