[alamosaddles]

This braniac led Miami Dade County Sheriffs on a high speed, he hit multiple vehicles during the chase, crashed the car then apparently surrendered, face down, arms and legs out to the side. To add insult to injury (with this I mean, he insulted himself, had he not run, he would not have been in any trouble except a ticket for no license), he wasn't even the actual suspect they were looking for. It started as a case of mistaken identity, he was only driving a vehicle similar to the actual armed robbery subject they were looking for. What happened next is being questioned, including by the police department themselves.

Civilized opinions and comments, this is NOT a LEO bashing thread. Let's discuss opinions on right, wrong, why, other options for the arrest etc.

Come on FN74, you are welcome too. Nazis can stay out though...Hitler is long dead.

BTW, FN74 and I have resolved our spat. We are ok now I think...

Here is the raw unedited video of the chase and takedown.

http://www.local10.com/news/14781501/detail.html

 

[Pirate]

I watched the video and the only thing they did wrong was they should have shot him!

 

[slowfire]

the cops went way out of line, the guy offered no resistance, yet they beat him while he was down...........yep, I see him winning a very large monetary lawsuit against the city, and hopefully the cops get fired.

 

[franks71vw]

Not sure of other LEOs etc but when a crazy nut like this jeopardizing everyones lives I think the least he can get is a beat down he got. I think the officers were wrong in that they did it in thepublic eye they should have done it at the station....lol seriously did you see him fly in the air like superman and land on the ground. I bet he suffered more from that then the beatings I dont think he should be allowed to sue he aint Rodney...

 

[snake eater]

Unlike the video of the LEO try to electrocute the guy on the side of the road i didn't see anything these cops done wrong , No closed hand punches , no kicks to the head, as a matter of fact they were to easy on him they should have shot the Dumb SOB !!

 

[Old CooT]

I think he shoulda ran a little slower so the police could have tackled him on the concrete.

 

[panzerfaust]

And your point is??

Ya know, I am curious if this type of thread will ever end? What exact purpose does this topic have to offer?? Does someone have a problem with authority figures? Shall we forever cruise YouTube and other media outlets, eagerly salivating at any and EVERY chance to show law enforcement in a potentially damaging light? Who exactly benefits from this, the perp.?? Other low lifes? Perhaps a pathological pattern is beginning to emerge? Finally, doesn't the Home Page specifically request that this sort of behaviour/post "cease and desist?" This continued exacerbation of an already volatile topic (BASH!!!) is the direct end result of why 'Open Talk" is now formulated in a clandestine fashion. Pathetic, truly. Stay safe gentlemen. As the song goes, 'I used to be disgusted, but now I'm more amused." Out.

 

[slowfire]

Ya know, I am curious if this type of thread will ever end? What exact purpose does this topic have to offer?? Does someone have a problem with authority figures?

No problem here with so called "authority figures".......I do have a problem when these so called "authority figures" becoming like "third world police thugs". the guy gave up the chase, and surrendered himself, all they had to do is cuff him.......if you find nothing wrong with what these cops did, then something is seriously, seriously wrong with you.

the problem becomes if you let these cops slide.......then were will it stop? you get pulled over and if the cop doesn't like your attitude, then it would be alright for him to drag you out and beat you down? but I guess in your little world that would be OK.

 

[panzerfaust]

Lil sensitive guy?

Wasn't referencing you ace. If you have been following the posts over the last few weeks, a certain member sems to enjoy pointing out any/all chances to dump on the thin blue line. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the show, OK?

 

[alamosaddles]

I watched the video and the only thing they did wrong was they should have shot him!

Pirate...are you serious, or is that sarcasm?

 

[alamosaddles]

Wasn't referencing you ace. If you have been following the posts over the last few weeks, a certain member sems to enjoy pointing out any/all chances to dump on the thin blue line.

Panz...I'm sorry that you feel that way. I neither agreed nor condemmed the stop.

It is a local incident, broadcast all over the news, which the police department themselves are bothered with. Perhaps it should be ignored.

Open talk got moved not because of the topic, but because of the nastyness that ensued. We should be able to point out, observe, discuss, agree or disagree on things, even these types of things, as adults in a civilized manner.

If you notice, my thread started with me classifying the driver as an IDIOT.... That should tell you something about how I feel about the stop.

I am hoping to see a chase or other incident where the actions of those involved are exemplary, so that such a video or event can be discussed. If you know of one perhaps you can point it out.

For example, I know it's not the same type of event, but the LA bank of america shootout with the body armored dirtbags.....the police did an outstanding job. I would of applauded if they had a freaking RPG and just obliterated the robbers.

You seem to think that because I take notice of "questionable" events I dislike authority? You are mistaken if that's the thought process.

Law enforcement is necessary in our society, we cannot function without it.

Any problem I have is not with any authority figure, only with authority figures that overstep their authority. Personally, after looking at the video I posted three times, I don't 100% agree that there was abuse in the stop.

I think that it's easy to look from the sky and see things develop from a helo up high and then question them, when things don't look that clear from the ground when you are running full speed after someone who is believed to have just robbed a lunch truck at gunpoint. Just because the subject stopped running and threw himself to the ground, does not mean the officers hot on his feet can and will stop on a dime, they perhaps cannot see his hands, they believe he had a gun during a robbery, there are many mitigating factors in THIS type of pursuit and stop.

I personally, would not have "kicked him" as he was kicked. I don't think kicking a subject on the ground is part of "arrest procedures 101" however, taking into account the nature of the pursuit, believed crime and the stop, I am not sure they were wrong in the takedown but I am curious about others viewpoint and position on the matter.

 

[FTB1-SS]

they got the jerk and he is still alive, what does the little sxxt have to bixxh about?

 

[47lincsled]

cops again

I couldn't get the video to open so I tried to find it on You Tube, couldn't find it there either, but I did come across Chris Rocks "How not to get you butt kicked" video, if you haven't seen it lately you should, I laugh every time I watch it, if a white guy would have done that it would have been banned.

 

[alamosaddles]

What exact purpose does this topic have to offer??.

Discussion of a current law enforcement chase and takedown broadcast NOT on youtube, but on the 12 oclock news.

Does someone have a problem with authority figures? .

I am sure someone does, but I don't and no one who has commented on the thread has indicated any problem with authority and the thread doesn't address that anyhow.

Finally, doesn't the Home Page specifically request that this sort of behaviour/post "cease and desist?"

No. The homepage asks that there be no LEO bashing. It does not apply to this post, since this post is NOT about bashing anyone.

I do see a pathological trend to label ANY type of post that questions ANY action by a leo as bashing. That is factual, some members don't want ANY leo action questioned, and if it occurs, then they are quick to scream leo bashing.

 

[Lone Ranger]

The beef I would have is if I was the tackler and my backup kicking dude while I was trying to get him cuffed. Anyone else notice the real cop pushed him out of the way and got straight to work helping #1 effect the arrest? #2 was actually a nuisance.

 

[GUNRUNNER5150]

beating? what beating?

the "punches" could have been because he would not cooperate with getting cuffed, and i only saw one guy do it. And the "kicks" im not so sure they connected - hard to tell from the overhead angle of the video.

Ive seen beatings, and this is not what i would classify this as. Oh well, they got a lil rough with him - this suspect put multiple lives in danger so it is unclear just how far he is willing to go.

I say good job.

GR5150

 

[alamosaddles]

The beef I would have is if I was the tackler and my backup kicking dude while I was trying to get him cuffed. Anyone else notice the real cop pushed him out of the way and got straight to work helping #1 effect the arrest arrest? #2 was actually a nuisance.

Excellent observation.

 

[alamosaddles]

beating? what beating?

Ive seen beatings, and this is not what i would classify this as. GR5150

I agree, this was not something I would call a beating.

 

[Old CooT]

I agree, this was not something I would call a beating.

I agree with ya'll,.. this is not a beating,, more like 4 people holding a uncooperative suspect down while he is handcuffed and removed from the scene,,,,,

Ya'll quit believing the media comments, the family wasn't there nor the press, just the heli driver and his cam at a thousand feet in the air,,,

 

[panzerfaust]

Well now Lt.

My beef is this, straight up, OK? You seem to delight in pointing out certain "questionable" tactics via law enforcement. Again, I did mention YouTube or "other media outlets." How cute you put in the quick disclaimer "this is NOT cop bashing" especially considering the host has requested no more (bashing) on this site. Front page. Funny, if someone perhaps stopped intorducing topics that could be exacerbated into bashing fests, then their would be little opportunity for same, no? After you stir the pot a little, seems that you wait and see which way opinions are being formed. Then you decide to jump in with both feet, guns blazing. If someone disagrees, you will make a point of debating them word by word, line by line ad nauseum, and you will NOT let it go. Shall we review the pages of fascinating debate from previous posts? Man, I now know more about the Coast Guard and their responsibilities than most of my family history. Bottom line? Cops are human, they are gonna make mistakes. If one continues to obssess about questionable L/E tactics on a site primarily dedicated to firearms, it raises red flags. The next post about a "good" L/E tazer incident is again, uhm, necessary? informative? silly? Due to the events of the past involving heated debate 'Open Talk" WAS moved, no? You are a smart guy, I enjoy your reads/debates, but it might be time to "broaden the horizons." Out.