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Fox news are saying that NOW, since a cop was killed by an illegal, they will ask for citizenship papers and deport.

WOW freaking WOW.

Citizens can get raped, murdered, robbed by illegals and it UN-PC to ask for citizenship papers. BUT LET A COP GET KILLED AND NOW THEY ARE ASKING.

I guess 'To protect and serve' starts with COPS FIRST, then the rest of us.
 

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You have been misinformed.

Numerous police officers have been killed by illegal aliens over the past few years, including in sanctauary cities where the policy is not to ask and do nothing if the illegal status is known, even after violent crime arrests and convictions. Sanctuary cities still exist, regardless of the amount of crime committed by illegals.

By implying that it was never pursued by any officer nationwide until a magic one was killed is not true and gives your post the appearance of an agenda.
 

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Pfarber,

There have been a LOT of cops killed/maimed by illegals, perhaps this case is just well-publicized, the "PC last straw" so to speak. I know you and what you're going through, how illegals and politicians have turned your home area into a nightmare, if TSHTF, you have more friends in LE than you know.

LR is right, there are sanctuary cities and remote areas for illegals/criminals, places where cops CANNOT go, where they warn you to "get the hell outta here!" if you're in the wrong turf, cops want to take the ground (permanently) but are limited by politics. I've seen this even in my state, major cities and rural areas, riding with veteran officers, I know what's going on in the back of their minds.

When politics fails (and it will) I know how those officers will react, the other day 3 of my friends had to put down a violent criminal, a creep who'd just got out of prison and THEN stabbed/hacked 3 people with a machete, I'm told all 3 victims will survive, I feel NOTHING for the criminal, just for my friends and pray they can cope with what needed to be done a long time ago. They will be cleared in the state investigation, several citizens came forward and said it was justifiable shooting, that will hopefully keep dept from being sued by creep's family.
 

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Worse policies

About 4 years ago I moved to another county. Being a good citizens, my wife and I went to the County Clerks office to register to vote. Coincdently, we went on the same day and a half hour before we closed on the new home.

We took our certified birth cerrtificates. The person at the desk asked if we were registered in the other county, we said yes, and she asked us to surrender our voters card from the other county, we did. She then refused to register us because we were not able to prove residence in the new county. Basicly we were homeless, we had closed on the home we sold that morning, and were to complete moving into the new place after closing. Needless to say this didn't go over too well, a angry scene ensued until her supervisor intervened. I pointed out to her that I could go to the local state MV service office and register, thanks to "motor voter", WITHOUT confirming citizenship, or residence, because the employees, by policy, are forbiden to ask any question dealing with residence OR citizenship. She told me I was crazy, I asked her to call the MV office and ask them. They confirmed that they did not any citizenship or residence questions. She apoligized and registered us, asking only that we drop off a copy of the settlement papers verifing our address. Even after all this, NO ONE even glanced at out birth certificates!


End of horror story, well not quite, it gets a lot better. The COUNTY handed us temporary registration cards showing our address and and units of local government we were entilted to vote in, which included the local library district. On our way home from the closing, we stopped in at the local library to obtain a library card. The 18 airhead at the desk asked for proof of residence.
She then proceeds to refuse to accept the voters registration card, even though it clearly states that we live in and are entilted to vote in library district elections. The reason for refusal was that SHE STATED THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A VOTERS REGISTRATION CARD WAS! however, she would accept a utility bill, credit card statement, dirvers license, OR AN ADDRESS STICKER OFF OF A MAGAZINE. Another ugly scene ensued, prompted by me asking if her IQ was any higher than room temperture. Fortunatly ,for both of us, there were several persons working at the library that knew me from previous residence in the city ( it a is a very small town that I had previously lived in for 30 years.) The desk Nazi, told me, by now my wife was waiting in the car, apparently 2 scenes in one day was a little too much, that she would mail us the card, and one of the other women told her "no, you will create the cards NOW" I don't know if this was she was embarassed, or because she thought I had been treated badly, or just wanted to get rid of me. In any event, I got the cards. After damn near having a stroke.
 

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But in Scottsdale AZ that EXACTLY what happened.

Only after 'one of their own' was killed did LEO start calling ICE. How can LEO be understaffed before this, then MAGICALLY have the staff to deal with it? Even though ICE handles the illegal, locals have to book/process/hold the illegal.

"Scottsdale police had arrested Martinez on a misdemeanor charge 16 months earlier but they released him then because they didn't know he was an illegal immigrant who had been twice deported."

CAUSE THEY NEVER BOTHERED TO CHECK. THATS WHY.
 

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Don't confuse line officers with politicians. I knew no one who was an illegal apologist, anti-gun or any other crock the news media portrays. Hippies who get elected to office and the patronage appointees who owe them a job implement such policies. I have never been to Scottsdale but unless it is run differently from any other agency, the guy who got killed probably didn't write, suggest, support, or even like the sanctuary policy. Whatever incident you are talking about just happened to catch headlines and now the feel-good no consequences open border person who is running your city is embarrassed. A similar scenario played out a few months ago in Virginia Beach, VA. Instead of a cop, it was 2 teenage girls that were killed by a DUI illegal who had been convicted of the same offense along with some others - never referred to ICE. When he killed the kids, some of the media started pounding the mayor and chief for the sanctuary policy. That's the only reason it changed. NY also had a gang rape incident a while back - multiple illegals w/criminal convictions who were allowed to stay. As far as I know, the sanctuary policy still stands there. A TN trooper was killed by an illegal a few moths ago as well, but it didn't catch fire in the media, so not much coverage outside the local area. It's everyone, everywhere.

Politicians in both parties seem mostly set on maintaining or worsening the chaos. I would guess it is like most things DC - money related.
 

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What I don't get is where this all started, I thought a cops job was to stop people that were breaking the law? How did we get to a point that cops were not allowed to do their job, the mere fact that these people are here with out papers make them breaking the law, there fore a cop should be able to do some thing about it, sounds kinda basic to me. The people that are making the money by hiring these people and not paying SS, disability, and all the other stuff that we have taken out of our check each time are the ones to blame, and since they have all the money they tell the politicians what to do so they can be sure to have all the cheap labor they need, Phoenix is trying to change things and they are getting nothing but flak from all the power people,it makes me sick!
 

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What I don't get is where this all started, I thought a cops job was to stop people that were breaking the law? How did we get to a point that cops were not allowed to do their job, the mere fact that these people are here with out papers make them breaking the law, there fore a cop should be able to do some thing about it, sounds kinda basic to me. The people that are making the money by hiring these people and not paying SS, disability, and all the other stuff that we have taken out of our check each time are the ones to blame, and since they have all the money they tell the politicians what to do so they can be sure to have all the cheap labor they need, Phoenix is trying to change things and they are getting nothing but flak from all the power people,it makes me sick!
How did we get to this point?? It's simple..Money. The Illegals would find an attorney that would be willing to sue the towns/cities for "Racial Profiling" or some other BS civil Suit. Govt, routinely settles these suits, rather than fight them and take the chance of losing..so, They come out with policies that forbid the Line guys to do their jobs in an effective manner, not giving a Damn about the big picture. NJSP is a Prime example of this. Since the nonsense over the Racial Profiling (Which was actually nonexistant, as i defy ANYONE to tell the race of a driver blowing past you at 85MPH at night) the NJTP and GSP (NJ Turnpike and Garden State Parkway) has once again turned into nothing more than a Drug/Illegal gun pipeline, which is why the Crime rates in the big Cities up North have eclipsed Camden.
 

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My Suggested Solution

Until there is a change in government that reflects the positive values we place on family, friends, and our neighbors....

BUY MORE AMMUNITION BEFORE YOU NEED IT!
FOLLOWED BY 3 IMPORTANT RULES:
#1 PRACTICE YOUR SHOOTING SKILLS
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#3 PRACTICE YOUR SHOOTING SKILLS

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I think the agenda is what CNN (Communist News Network) and networks like them do NOT report, unlike Fox News. Since illegal immigration is now in the news more and more, there seems to be the tendency for Networks, like Fox News, to do more reporting on illegals that are out there killing left and right, and Bill O'reilly has been spear heading this with his reports. Thus, when a police officer gets killed, there is a tendency to bring this to light more so, then if it were an ordinary citizen. This seems, from my observation, there has been more pressure on the dumb ass retarded politicians to take action. However, I will readily admit the retarded dumb ass Mayor of Houston has done NOTHING!! But, like I say, he is a big fat dumb ass Demtard!!!! But, bringing it to the attention to the people like Fox News has, for example, does seem to have done some good, but no where enough!!!!!
 

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That crap about cops needing training to arrest illegals is total BS. When I began my law enforcement career I arrested car loads of them a couple times a week.

We would stop them going to work for equipment violations, ask for immigration papers, which they would never produce, them hook them up. The INS bus would come by our jail in the morning to pick them all up.
 

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And can you imagine the problems you cause for all those poor agra bussiness and contractors, not having their full allotment of under paid workers that they didn't pay taxes or benifits for,shame on you for doing your job. :) It will be interesting to see if Phoenix actually follows through with their new laws that allow cops to do their jobs, if it up to Sheriff Joe you know they would, but those worthless lawyer will tie it up for years.
 

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I drive along I-10, here in Houston, 2 to 3 times a day where there is MASSIVE construction going on. I have seen ONLY Hispanic guys working on this project with the exception of three back guys. I can only wonder how many of these workers are UNDERPAID illegals!!! There are literally hundreds of jobs here on this I-10 project that should, and could be filled by LEGAL, TAX PAYING ,U.S. CITIZENS, but, of course, that makes too much sense!!!! But, like I say we have a dumb-ass **** brained retarded Mayor who is about as useful as a dead cockroach!!! I would love too stuff a branding iron up his big fat you know what, but he then would become brain-dead!!!!


And can you imagine the problems you cause for all those poor agra bussiness and contractors, not having their full allotment of under paid workers that they didn't pay taxes or benifits for,shame on you for doing your job. :) It will be interesting to see if Phoenix actually follows through with their new laws that allow cops to do their jobs, if it up to Sheriff Joe you know they would, but those worthless lawyer will tie it up for years.
 
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