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Built this on one of panaceabeachbum's blem sideplates. It went together with very few to no problems. I just finished the receiver in a flat black paint for now, I'm going to take it out tomorrow to see if there is any further work that needs to be done. I'm waiting on a Izzy 1919A6 bipod and stock set from Alied Armmament before I refinish it in a Duracoat desert camo finish.

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Looks GREAT! Good job. :D Is this your first build? Congrats on having your new toy come together with your own hands. Best feeling around. :cool:
 

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This is my second build, my first was a Post Sample that I half assed together off an 80% ORF plate. This one I took my time on and made the propper bucking bars and rivit set to build it correctly, as it is built as a semi and I can resell it later down the road. This one is going to be set up in 30-06 with a registered Post Sample bolt.
 

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Nice job, I am working thru my second build and this one is a 30.06 instead of .308. I hope mine turns out as nice as yours did. Keep up the good work.
 

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Well it has been an exciting day. Went out to test fire it for the first time, I checked and double checked everything; headspacing, timing and whatnot. Fired a couple rounds and checked the brass for any bad signs, brass looked good. So fired a couple of 3-4 round bursts; "BANG!!" round #32 blew out the back of the case, bending the top cover, shreding the cloth belt and sending part of the case into my right leg just under the knee cap. I spend 5 hours down at the VA getting x-rayed, antibotics and IV's, and wait for the Dr. to come look at it. Well Doc tells me that the fragment is small enough just to leave it in there and would cause more trauma if he tried to "fish it out". The head stamp was 30M2 R D 59, but looking at the case it looks like it wasn't fully in battery. So I'm going to tear into it tommorrow and see if my timing screw moved on me or something else. I'll post up more tomorrow after I have had time to do an autopsy

Here are a few pictures of the case... the red arrow is of the missing piece that is now part of my leg for the near future.







 

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OUCHY man that sux to hear :(
 

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Well it has been an exciting day. Went out to test fire it for the first time, I checked and double checked everything; headspacing, timing and whatnot. Fired a couple rounds and checked the brass for any bad signs, brass looked good. So fired a couple of 3-4 round bursts; "BANG!!" round #32 blew out the back of the case, bending the top cover, shreding the cloth belt and sending part of the case into my right leg just under the knee cap. I spend 5 hours down at the VA getting x-rayed, antibotics and IV's, and wait for the Dr. to come look at it. Well Doc tells me that the fragment is small enough just to leave it in there and would cause more trauma if he tried to "fish it out". The head stamp was 30M2 R D 59, but looking at the case it looks like it wasn't fully in battery. So I'm going to tear into it tommorrow and see if my timing screw moved on me or something else. I'll post up more tomorrow after I have had time to do an autopsy

Here are a few pictures of the case... the red arrow is of the missing piece that is now part of my leg for the near future.







Are you sure you have a 30-06 barrel , that round wasn't fully chambered when it fired . Sortof like putting a 30-06 in a 308 or 8mm
 

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Bang

"So fired a couple of 3-4 round bursts;"
"So I'm going to tear into it tommorrow and see if my timing screw moved on me" --- Is this a full auto gun?:confused:

Sure looks like a headspace problem.
Be careful and glad your'e OK.
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Are you sure you have a 30-06 barrel , that round wasn't fully chambered when it fired . Sortof like putting a 30-06 in a 308 or 8mm
The barrel is 30-06, I had it in my other post sample and have fired off a couple hundred rounds with no problems.

"So fired a couple of 3-4 round bursts;"
"So I'm going to tear into it tommorrow and see if my timing screw moved on me" --- Is this a full auto gun?:confused:

Sure looks like a headspace problem.
Be careful and glad your'e OK.
Bill
The gun was built as a semi with a post sample bolt.
 

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The gun was built as a semi with a post sample bolt.
Uhh....

Now, I'm no lawyer, and I'm not an SOT, but this sounds to me like there's a problem. As I understand it, a "registered post-sample bolt" would be legally considered a "machinegun conversion kit" by the ATF, and therefore a machinegun (hence why it is "registered"). Correct?

Here's the rub: when you install that bolt, i.e, conversion kit in your semi 1919, then the semi 1919 becomes married to that bolt under the ATF's "once a machinegun, always a machinegun" interpretation (remember, the RSP is what's considered the firearm). It would be the same as installing a registered M2 conversion kit into an M1 Carbine. If you were to remove that bolt, the "originally semi-auto" sideplate would still be considered a machinegun by the ATF (under the "once a machinegun always a machinegun" doctine), and you would NOT be able to sell it later as a semi-auto. :eek: Just like if you were to remove that M2 conversion kit from the carbine. The ATF would still consider the M1 a machinegun, it would be "married" to that conversion kit, and you couldn't later sell the M1 as just a semi (even if the conversion kit were removed). At least, that's how I interpret the laws, ATF letters, and the ATF's f-ed up policies. I could be completely wrong here, and perhaps you can cite the section of law that says otherwise.

But what really frightens me, is the fact that you have legally registered a full-auto bolt that will fit into a semi 1919. IMHO, this puts all semi 1919's at risk because one of the only reasons they were ever "approved" in the first place is that the "denial island" on the semi RSP prevents the insertion of full-auto internals. I mean, you obviously have all the legal stuff for class III and all that. If you can register a post-sample bolt, you could have just as easily registered an entire post-sample sideplate. By mixing your post sample stuff with the legally fragile semi stuff, I believe you have inadvertently put our entire hobby at undue risk.

Basically, what I'm saying is that by the mere existence of the conversion parts, nay, just the knowledge that it is possible to convert a semi 1919 to full auto with just some machine work to a full-auto bolt to clear the denial island, would be more than enough ammo for the ATF to have a "reinterpretation" of the laws and decide that 1919s are no longer legal enough for them. This could cause all of our guns to be deemed illegal overnight, a-la the Akins Accelerator.

I was kind of afraid that something like this might eventually happen. I was just afraid to open my mouth about it for fear it might give someone an idea, therefore becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. :rolleyes:
 

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Uhh....


Here's the rub: when you install that bolt, i.e, conversion kit in your semi 1919, then the semi 1919 becomes married to that bolt under the ATF's "once a machinegun, always a machinegun" interpretation (remember, the RSP is what's considered the firearm). It would be the same as installing a registered M2 conversion kit into an M1 Carbine. If you were to remove that bolt, the "originally semi-auto" sideplate would still be considered a machinegun by the ATF (under the "once a machinegun always a machinegun" doctine), and you would NOT be able to sell it later as a semi-auto. :eek: Just like if you were to remove that M2 conversion kit from the carbine. The ATF would still consider the M1 a machinegun, it would be "married" to that conversion kit, and you couldn't later sell the M1 as just a semi (even if the conversion kit were removed). At least, that's how I interpret the laws, ATF letters, and the ATF's f-ed up policies. I could be completely wrong here, and perhaps you can cite the section of law that says otherwise.
Where exactly did you come up with that?
Have you ever heard of a registered bolt for an Uzi, or a sear for an HK or a DIAS for an AR?
The things that your referring to have never been a machine gun in the eyes of the BATFE so why would that change if I drop a FA registered bolt in a semi Uzi?
I think your confused with the idea that a rewelded receiver is a machine gun because it started out that way, never mind that once it's de-milled it's only scrap metal.
Relax and quit trying to scare everybody.
 

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Besides headspace.. I'd also be suspicious of the ammo as well.. that is definately not USGI ammo...Depending on storage and such.. the powder could have solidified and went boom instead of burned... I have seen this happen on bad ammo as well as older USGI ammo that wasn;t properly stored. I had a similar experience with a 30 Carbine round that blew in the same way... I took a bunch of brass in the forehead.. and the case blew in the same way.. this ammo was given to me and it was un-messed with GI ammo.. I went home (after the emergency room visit) and pulled several rounds of this freebe ammo apart.. and all the rounds hade clumped together or solidified powder... verry bad juju.......
 

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Uhh....

Now, I'm no lawyer, and I'm not an SOT, but this sounds to me like there's a problem. As I understand it, a "registered post-sample bolt" would be legally considered a "machinegun conversion kit" by the ATF, and therefore a machinegun (hence why it is "registered"). Correct?

Here's the rub: when you install that bolt, i.e, conversion kit in your semi 1919, then the semi 1919 becomes married to that bolt under the ATF's "once a machinegun, always a machinegun" interpretation (remember, the RSP is what's considered the firearm). It would be the same as installing a registered M2 conversion kit into an M1 Carbine. If you were to remove that bolt, the "originally semi-auto" sideplate would still be considered a machinegun by the ATF (under the "once a machinegun always a machinegun" doctine), and you would NOT be able to sell it later as a semi-auto. :eek:
I guess were all just a bunch of "internet lawyers", it would really help if we knew what we were talking about though. A "registered conversion part" does NOT make a gun or reciever a machinegun by itself, the part itself is considered the machinegun by ATF, as long as the gun is configured legally when the part or parts are removed there is absolutely no problem.

as to the out of battery detonation, please let us know what you find out, I had that happen to me at Bulletfest a couple years ago, only difference it was a big chunk in my wrist, it's good to know Browning designed these things tough, they really contain detonations well, not like a MG42.
 

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staying away from the bolt Q

what is it? 75/20/5? 75% bad headspace. 20% bad ammo. 5% operator error?

 
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