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Mods feel free to edit my title if you like. I think it's accurate and that the men here can handle it. F the winers. :mad:

Get off your asses Kommieforniaians! A simple (1)phone call, (2)fax and (3) e-mail. How tough is that? Click the CRPA link below, then click the contact your legislator link at the bottom of the CRPA page. If you want to protect the rights our forefathers gave to us and not only have them but protect them for the future, (at least what is left of them for our kids and theirs)...get off your asses right now!

The battle is raging people! LockDick, Korblatz, Tortelinni and crew are back at it again big time! The bill to ban ammo sales unless face to face (AB 2714 is back in play and going to the senate), and LOCKDICK IS TRYING TO REWRITE THE CURRENT SB23 AW DESCRIPTION! You guys & girls that have them better be on this like white on rice!

It is a non stop assault, year after year with no pause, of the anti's trying to pass the same **** laws with a few words rewritten.

1 if by land...2 if by sea...3 if by Sucramento.

http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml

Please check the link and contact the legilslature with your opinion on all the pending issues. It will take 1/2 hour and a few clicks. Hope a million CA gun owners read this. I sure can't do it alone and there are alot of lurkers around here!

KAL is the testing ground for the anti's and their plan for the rest of the country. I'm not whining! Just fighting and all you tourists, (tourists = much respected gun owners not behind KAL enemy lines) can feel free to click and see the fight YOU may have ahead by taking a look at the link as well.

JIC your mouse just broke...the most urgent issue is Lockyer losing his mind and trying to slide through a micro-reclassification/description of AW's;

*** LOCKYER'S NEW PROPOSED "ASSAULT WEAPON" REGULATIONS COULD DRAMATICALLY EXPAND "ASSAULT WEAPON" LAW. DOJ NEEDS TO HEAR FROM YOU!
The California Department of Justice has published proposed administrative regulations that could turn thousands of semi-automatic rifles with fixed magazines, previously thought to be legal, into illegal "assault weapons." The regulation and related information is posted at: www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/awdefnotice0606.html

Under Penal Code section 12276.1 (passed as part of SB 23 in 2000), any "semi-automatic, center fire rifle that has the "capacity to accept a detachable magazine" and any one of the listed features (con****uously protruding pistol grip, flash suppressor, collapsible stock, etc.) is an "assault weapon." Since its passage in 2000, "capacity to accept" has been understood to mean a rifle receiver into which a detachable magazine could be inserted in the condition in which it is possessed. So fixed magazine rifles that could be reconfigured or retrofitted to accept an after market detachable magazine, if not actually so configured, were legal.

Then in late June, the DOJ Firearms Division published the proposed new regulations, which would define "capacity to accept" a detachable magazine as:

"capable of accommodating a detachable magazine, but shall not be construed to include a firearm that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate a detachable magazine."

A bulletin published by DOJ on May 9th explains what DOJ is trying to do. The bulletin says:

"Semiautomatic centerfire rifles that are modified to be temporarily incapable of accepting detachable magazines, but can be restored to accommodate detachable magazines, are assault weapons if they have any of the features listed in section 12276.1(a)(1). The Department intends to exercise its power pursuant to Penal Code section 12276.5(I) to adopt regulations as "necessary and proper to carry out the purpose and intent" of California law to ban assault weapons in the state."

The bulletin is posted at: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/AWpolicyrev4.pdf

The regulation would appear to deem any fixed magazine rifle with a one feature prohibited by Penal Code section 12276.1 that could be retrofitted with a detachable magazine an "assault weapon." The most obvious examples would be SKS type rifles, DSArms FN-FAL series rifles, and any rifle for which an after market detachable magazine retrofit kit is available.

The regulation itself is confusing, despite the fact that regulations are supposed to "clarify" the law. "Capable of accommodating a detachable magazine" seems redundant with "capacity to accept" one. And nothing in the regulation confirms that "permanent alteration" of a detachable magazine is the only way for a magazine to be deemed non-detachable. What about rifles that are originally manufactured with a fixed magazine, but that can be retrofitted with an after market detachable magazine? These rifles were never "altered" at all. And what does means "permanent alteration" mean? Practically any gun can be machined and so "altered" to accept a detachable magazine. In fact, the statute itself doesn't even use the term "permanently altered" in addressing "detachable magazines," it only uses that term when discussing "high capacity" magazines.

Nonetheless, the DOJ bulletin makes clear that the regulation is intended to only exclude firearms that are "permanently altered" to only accept a fixed magazine from the "capacity to accept a detachable magazine" definition. So the effect of DOJ's proposed regulation would be to expand the definition of "assault weapon" to include any rifle with just one of the prohibited features that could be retrofitted with a detachable magazine, even if currently equipped with a fixed magazine. Given the number of after market detachable magazine conversion kits available, and the ability to further machine practically any receiver to accept a detachable magazine, the new regulation could condemn thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of guns!

How did this come about? It started several months ago. Responding to a letter about AR "series" receivers, the DOJ acknowledged that unless an AR or AK receiver is listed in Penal Code section 12276 (the 1989 Roberti-Roos list), or listed by DOJ in the California Code of Regulations (CCR), the receiver is legal. (There is still some debate about whether a receiver by itself is an "assault weapon." DOJ's position, naturally, is that it is). This caused an influx of these legal receivers into the state. Concerned about this, DOJ announced it was going to make the receivers illegal by adding them to the "series" list in the CCR. But this would mean DOJ would have to allow them to be registered. When it was pointed out that once registered, the SB 23 prohibited features could then be added to the firearm, the DOJ announced that it would create two classes of "assault weapon" registration, and that the newly registered guns could not have the features. When it was pointed out to DOJ that the law did not provide for two classes of "assault weapon" registration, and that if these guns were registered the features would have to be allowed, DOJ decided not to add the series receivers to the list after all. Instead, this regulation was proposed, and DOJ introduced legislation (AB 2728) that would repeal the regulatory add-on provisions so DOJ would not have to administer that aspect of the law anymore.

Regulations are supposed to clarify the law. And the "assault weapon" statutes need a lot of clarification. But this regulation does not clarify anything and needs to be opposed.

Review the DOJ's proposal at http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/awdefnotice0606.html, direct questions to the Firearms Division at (916) 263-4887, email your comments to [email protected], or fax them to his attention at (916) 263-0676.

The Department will hold a public hearing on the proposed regulation beginning at 9:00 a.m. on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 in the Department of Water Resources auditorium located at 1416 9th Street, Sacramento, California. At the hearing, any person may present oral or written comments regarding the proposed regulatory action. The Department requests, but does not require, that persons who make oral comments also submit written copy of their testimony at the hearing.

*** CRPA ***

The California Rifle and Pistol Association "CRPA," founded in 1875, is dedicated to defending the rights of law-abiding citizens to responsibly use firearms for self-defense and the defense of their loved ones, for sport, and for all other legal activities. CRPA is the official state association of the National Rifle Association. A California non profit association, CRPA is independently directed by its own Board of Directors. CRPA's 65,000 members include law enforcement officers, prosecutors, professionals, firearm experts, the general public, and loving parents. CRPA has always worked to reduce the criminal misuse of firearms and firearms accidents, while actively promoting and organizing the competitive shooting sports and Olympic training programs in California. We are proud to say that many CRPA competitors are among the best in the world.

For a list of Assembly&/or Senate members and their contact information, please access them via www.sen.ca.gov and www.assembly.ca.gov/acs

Join The CRPA
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Anyone who wants to smak on me. Save it. Like I care. Thoughtful pro 2nd Amendment replies welcome!

All you guys across the country who may have KAL gun owner friends who may not be 1919 guys, please e-mail and link them to the link above or to this thread!

Just like the anti's...I'm NEVER giving up! :mad:

See ya @ the range!
 

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Seen this on arfcom, they just dont quit do they.
Good luck!
 

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Gee, I got a half section in a gun friendly state, maybe I should be selling plots to you people who want to flee? Hotch
 

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Kali and illinois !!

Look at what is going on in Illinois; Gestapo Chicago Police call it "" Cage"" and they raid law abiding citizens that buy collectors guns; seem they are going arm and arm with Kaliforia- What is next??
 

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I had heard this might happen and was hesitant to buy my M1A ? just so I could have a .308 again? Back in the 80?s I owned a Galil .308ARM. After they banned those, I waited and bought one of the Cali-legal FAL?s (with the thumbhole stock) that they later banned. The FAL is a 1 MOA rifle and those are rare for a FAL, so I store it in Reno.

Just this year I picked up a Cali-legal M1A, but had heard they might go after banning those too. Fortunately, I am retiring soon and am re-locating to Nevada.

None-the-less, I think I?ll write them and complain that all these bans are causing me to flood the market in used guns because of having to get rid of so many of them. Ha! Thank God my time in this state is short..
 

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Can always use a plan D! What ya got there Hotch? Know anything close to you should be good! :D

LOL 1919! :mad:
 

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Scary Sh$T Pards!
I feel for ya poor slobs that still live there!
I remember just a few short years ago having to wait months
to recieve my Italian Copy of a Henry Rifle because it was hung up in
Kommie-Fornia due to the fact that they were trying to clasify it as an
assault weapon! Yup! had a mag tube that held 14 rounds! My God!
STOP THE INSANITY!!!:eek:
Yer'Migo! (who's glad ta live in Arizona!)
"Big Ed"
All we have to worry about here is the Mexican Invasion!
 

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I'm not a criminal....

I'm not a criminal...:eek: I'm on that one already iRighti I have a few of those newly imported receivers:D

What about AB352 I read all the BS on that one and I still can't figure it out they got micro-stamping mixed in with updating handgun saftey with handguns both having to have the magazine disconnect and the loaded chamber indicator. I'm a 1911(Baby Browning) fan and my FFL is telling me I won't be able to get a 1911 after the first of the year now. I also noticed that on the compiled list of handguns for sale that they have expiration dates so a handgun on the list is subjected to the new safety rules when its expiration comes up and it looks like a lot of the springfields and 1911 copies will be coming up around the first of the year...
Anyone got a take on this....

This 2728 has got to be nailed right out of the gate we cannot allow this to happen. I have a fixed clip FAL and have built fixed magazine AR's and I really don't see how expanding this definetion will not in a way effect the 1919 crew. I'm not moving, I like fighting, and last time I checked I didn't see a check in the mail box for my 2nd amendment rights or a ballot to vote my rights away... Contact your reps in your area if you have a small business or own a company or can speak for the owners of your company do so as well in those districts if different. Those reps also have to answer to businesses in there districts...
 

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Sounds like there preparing the masses to" lose " the forthcoming Revolution
Hang in there guy's !! , Dam I love N.C.
 

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oldtireiron,

Actually, Old Man Daley was the biggest Mafia figure in the Chicago area during the '50s and '60s, and now his son is following in his Dad's footsteps!! So, it is the Mafia Controlled Chicago Police. Just a "minor "correction! LOL




The fact is, what we see now going on in Cali is just the beginning and will affect ALL States if a left winger like Commie Clinton gets elected President!!! I am afraid to say that the writing is on the wall!!!! Sites like this will be deemed a "terrorist threat" (or an "aid" to the terrrorists), and will promptly be shut down for "National Security" reasons!!! What the original Clinton did on his efforts to ban firearms will look trivial to what is soon coming. I just hope I am proven wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Look at what is going on in Illinois; Gestapo Chicago Police call it "" Cage"" and they raid law abiding citizens that buy collectors guns; seem they are going arm and arm with Kaliforia- What is next??
 

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They (the anti's) will eventually win this fight. Like any insurgency, they've got the will, and the fortitude to continually wittle away at us over the long haul. And like most all Americans, gun owners are largely slothful.... lazy... More content to piss and moan on a website than to actually do anything about it. And for those of us who actually do write letters, send emails, make phone calls, and financially support pro 2nd Ammendment organizations... there are at least as many more anti's who are more vocal than us. Plain and simple, they're winning the battle of winning the hearts and minds of the soccer mom's around the country who vote with their hearts. WE WILL EVENTUALLY LOSE THIS BATTLE. All we are fighting is a delaying action. The rights our father's enjoyed, are not the ones we have today. Our children will certainly not enjoy the limited rights we posess. Don't blame liberal treehuggers, democrats in California or New York, or under-educated, ill-informed voters... look in the mirror if you want to discover the root cause of our rights slipping steadily away.
 

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I dont see that they will WIN this fight, i see alot of folks gettin hurt if it came down to somethin stupid takin place. One of these days they are gonna go too far and someone will loose their mind (you can push a man soo far) and go ballistic and many will follow. Thats just how i see it playin out, i hope it never gets that far.
 

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When haven't the few

When haven't the few given the the masses a run for there money... I don't think there are to many people left in this country that believe in the core of the constitution and the bill of rights like most gun owners do... Realistically you can only push the few so far just as Double8 is saying... Something will give when and where time will only tell but I'm thinking California is gonna be the next shot heard around the world. We as a whole of gun owning Californians imported 35,000 AK/AR series receivers according to there rules not to mention the other makes that came in and that was an early figure.Now they want to criminalize the people that bought and paid the tax to own the weapon even though they are building them to CA DOJ standards and CA DOJ approved the sale.:confused: If they pass this stupid 2728 I'm sure there gonna start knocking on doors or asking for people to voluntarily turn them in... It'll be interesting to see how this all turns out... It's just another test of how gutless the american gun owner is...

Oppression does not equal freedom, oppression equals slavery.
 
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