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McCain won here in Florida. All the experts are saying that Florida's demographics mirror the whole country closer than any other state so what happens here might be indicative of the final primaries.

Although I like Romney better, I'm not sure he can beat Hillary in November. McCain might end up the best bet to keep our guns alive...at least for some period of time.
 

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Yeah, he's not as hard line conservative as some would like and I think he has just enough liberalism to appeal to more folks that Hillary does...maybe. I'm just concerned that someone posted he would sign a new AWB if it came across his desk and that's not making me too happy because every gun restriction known to man will get attached to it.
 

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He claims he is against a new AWB, and that he would have voted against renewing it. But I don't know if he voted for it back in 94, and that needs to be researched. I had always understood him to be fairly anti-gun, but the only specific thing I can nail to him at present is his current support of closing the fabled "gun show loophole". He favors legislation that would require all firearms sales between private parties (at shows, at least) to go through NICS. That basically ends private party sales as we know it. Even if that initially applies just to sales at shows, it ain't much of a stretch for that to be extended to apply- California style- to private sales anywhere. Here, we have to run everything through a dealer, waiting periods and all. :(

These positions are posted on his web site. http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/77636553-6337-4ecd-b170-49e1c07d2fbd.htm

Romney's website is very vague on the 2nd Amendment, with just a couple of platitudes. But he has openly supported a new AWB in more than one interview on CNN, etc.

McCain seems the least of two evils on guns, but he is just AWFUL on so many other areas. :mad:
 

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Yeah, he's not as hard line conservative as some would like and I think he has just enough liberalism to appeal to more folks that Hillary does...maybe. I'm just concerned that someone posted he would sign a new AWB if it came across his desk and that's not making me too happy because every gun restriction known to man will get attached to it.
Of course the Shrub said the same thing!

The republicans are only marginally better than the democrats when it comes to guns.

That said, there is no way I can vote for a democrat. I'd love to see Richardson run as VP though.

McCain is our best shot this year.
 

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I can say this about Richardson ,he has vetoed every gun issue to hit his desk.
If he had gotten the Dem. nomination ,with what we have on our side i would be laughing as i voted for him.
McCain makes me sick ,he is the biggest BS artist up there .
 

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Old article but still relevant!

Don't Blame Liberals for Gun Control
By Richard Poe
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, January 08, 2001

ANTI-GUN CRUSADERS seem worried about the advent of a Republican administration. Heaven knows why. Republicans, in recent years, have managed to do nearly as much damage to the Second Amendment as Democrats.

In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."

It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.

Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay."

One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections.

Another Republican, New York State Governor George Pataki, on August 10, 2000, signed into law what The New York Times called "the nation's strictest gun controls," a radical program mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned "assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison.

Gun control crusaders argue that the Republicans are simply yielding to grassroots pressure, to gain political advantage. But polls show little evidence of such pressure

A Gallup/CNN/USA Today survey taken in June 1999 - only two months after the Littleton massacre - showed that the number of Americans who favored stricter gun laws had declined by 20 percent since 1990.

Public support for gun control has dwindled even further since then. An Associated Press poll released on the one-year anniversary of the Littleton shootings shows that Americans favor strict enforcement of existing laws over new gun laws - the exact position of the National Rifle Association (NRA) - by 42 to 33 percent.

That same month, a survey by the Pew Research Center showed that only 6 percent of Americans believed that tougher gun laws would prevent future school shootings.

Meanwhile, a Tarrance Group poll has shown that only 5 percent of Americans want gunmakers and gun dealers held responsible for misuse of firearms.

Clearly, the pressure for gun control is not coming from the grassroots. It comes from those layers of society that the left calls the "ruling classes" - academics, Hollywood stars, Washington insiders and multibillion-dollar media conglomerates.

The latter are particularly influential in pushing anti-gun propaganda. A study by the Media Research Center released in January 2000 showed that television news stories calling for stricter gun laws outnumbered those opposing such laws by a ratio of 10 to 1.

The blame for this media bias is traditionally assigned to "liberal journalists." And, indeed, most journalists do hold left-of-center views. A 1996 survey of working journalists by the Roper Center and the Freedom Forum showed that 89 percent had voted for Bill Clinton in 1992. Only 4 percent identified themselves as Republicans and only 2 percent as conservatives.

Yet, their "liberal" views probably have less impact on the media's anti-gun bias than most people assume. Rank-and-file reporters have little power to influence the political spin even of their own stories.

When I worked at the New York Post in the mid-1980s, I found the newsroom filled with liberals. They grumbled constantly about the paper's conservative slant. But they went along with it, because it was company policy.

Liberal news organizations are no different. Political bias comes from the top. Rank-and-file reporters simply do what they are told.

Those of us who cherish our Second Amendment rights are keeping our fingers crossed about George W. Bush. But the monolithic commitment America's "ruling classes" have shown toward gun control makes one wonder whether even a president is free to buck the current.
 

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Right now ,i just cant vote for him or Romney.
I hoped the Republicans had learned from 1996 ,this is nothing but another Bob Dole screw up.
Thanks Webleys ,i always heard pits and pieces to this ,you brought it all together.
But it only makes an already dark cloud even darker.
 

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The talk on the Border states is !
Senator McCain Could have cared less about what was happening in our schools ,streets ,To our LE ,Hospitals ,and joined nut to butt with one of the most Hated Liberals in this Country. He flip flops on everything he says ,votes with Liberals 90% of the time ,and even talked about changing party's mis stream.
He better win the White house because the people of Arizona were about to can his ass after his little Amnesty thing.
Yes he may be all their is to vote for ,but if you are drunk on your butt don't they not let you vote ? Because that is the only way i could vote for (Ole fireball McCain ).
 

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Phalanx, don't candy coat it, tell me how you really feel:).

The presidential run this year is like playing Russian roulette with a Sig...duh, guess which chamber has the round??? The only question remaining is do you pull the trigger or not cuz there's no guess work as to the outcome if you do. You either gotta pull it or walk away from it. When I'm in the voting booth this year and reach for that big lever I fully expect my life to flash before my eyes.
 

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Thanks LoBo ,I was just angery ,I know what is at stake.
Its called (voter fatige ) its when your sick of voteing for the lesser of the evils.
We still have the Congress , if they hadnt blocked the AWB ,Bush would have followed in his Daddys shadow.
Romney isnt any better ,and the other side is Horrible ,and only a Fool would do a Ross Piero thing.
If the last few Elections had have Been lop sided it might be differant ,but they have been nearly 50/50.
Oh ,Congrats on the Lady ,you dog you:) .
 

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We're all frustrated with these last elections...I still have nightmares about our ballot box screw ups here on the last one.
 

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yahoo says guiliani has dropped out of the race n now endorses mccin - that sys all i need to know about mccain :mad:
 

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I guess we can just enjoy shooting while we still can.
Should have bought off individuals ,but Mr. good citizen always filled out his yellow sheet. I even had UPS screw up once and drop off a 22 ,I bought from NY ,at my house .I was so paranoid i took it to my FFL , where it was supposed to go to ,had him put it in his books ,so i could fill out the right papers.
Lot of the problem is, i don't know anyone on this site that is an irresponsible gun owner , or really anyone i know.
Then the media comes along with the gun grabbers making us sound like we are insane and cant be trusted.
Or by someway we are less American because we own a firearm ,and our children and neighbors are in danger.
Us ,who payed our Taxes and Social Security and had to contribute in someway to society or we wouldn't have the money to own a 1919.
Or those who served our Country ,now they have this stupid Vet thing going on about them owning guns ?
I don't think Lawyers should be allowed to run for office.
 

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It's all about control. For the people in Washington and those that want to go there, it's all nothing more than a power game of who gets to control what. Our firearms stand in the way of that control or at least pose a threat to it. That's why the left, and to a certain degree the right, is always chipping away at the elements of the Constitution, be it speech (hence hate crime laws) or the 2nd. The Constitution is the only wall we have standing between them and their control over us. Too bad it's become just a piece of paper.
 
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