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Guns are more like the stock market, they're gambling. I suppose you could consider that an investment but its not really. The problem with the guns is the fact that a fiat declaration by some socialist (or other) evil politician could kill the market. The same is true of course for the stock market and every time that idiot opens his mouth the market responds, usually with a decline.
I wouldn't put investment money into MG's with the expectation of continued increase in values. I buy them because I like them and so far the values have increased. So far guns I've sold have paid for the ones I kept but my friend the investment banker type has made a lot more with his skill in investing money than I have with my guns.

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Diversity is the key principle here. Folks that have the cash to buy a $100k gun already have stock and real estate investments. I would agree that most these people have some interest in firearms but do doubt that they are big mg shooters. It’s just like art at this price point. Folks know they are a good investment better then cash in the bank and it’s a cool item to look at while they have it. We know none of these guns are going to show up at a machine gun shoot. Even private events! These will sit in a collection until they pass away or get bored and put it back up for auction and make money off the item. It’s pretty easy to see the constant climb in price.
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Outdoordave told me one time "kits and barrels" and he's right.

Pack 'em deep when they're plentiful and cheap, then as soon as retail is sold out the prices skyrocket.

There seems like a food chain:

Morphy's attracts a lot of the big $$ guys, as in those described by pa123.

IMA attracts the credit card bearing history buffs who want a neat display piece.

GB has many closet buyers with big pockets- and often not enough brains.

Apex, Sarco, Numrich: go-to for those who won't pay IMA or compete in bidding wars.

Specialty and Tier 2 retailers: now mostly out of the game; Omega, Springfield, etc; BRP and BeltFeds. Nobody knows who they are, so you see stuff on GB that came from Omega or BRP, but marked up five times.

Grubbers: those who go track down stashes of stuff, buy in bulk, pay cash.
 

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Guns are more like the stock market, they're gambling. I suppose you could consider that an investment but its not really. The problem with the guns is the fact that a fiat declaration by some socialist (or other) evil politician could kill the market. The same is true of course for the stock market and every time that idiot opens his mouth the market responds, usually with a decline.
I wouldn't put investment money into MG's with the expectation of continued increase in values. I buy them because I like them and so far the values have increased. So far guns I've sold have paid for the ones I kept but my friend the investment banker type has made a lot more with his skill in investing money than I have with my guns.

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The Democrats now hold a super-majority here in both house of the Colorado legislature.
They can even override the veto of Gov Palpatine, should he decide something they propose is too far out even for him.
No longer can he claim "I AM the Senate!"
I have heard the next session in our state is going to look at more magazine regulation.
The reality is the current Colorado law makers can do what they want.
In recent years it has been enacting the same "green" regulations as California (C.A.R.B., etc)

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Let’s face it, our hobbies future could end with one stroke of the pen. It really enjoy collecting and shooting and never bought any guns or military items I have for financial gain. But in the same token I realize the great value and wonder what is the right time to cash out before the music stops and you are stuck with items that no longer have any value
 

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I have heard the next session in our state is going to look at more magazine regulation.
The reality is the current Colorado law makers can do what they want.
In recent years it has been enacting the same "green" regulations as California (C.A.R.B., etc)
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Let me know when they tax the rain! They did in my state, no veto to worry about. It did not last but it will still done.

Let’s face it, our hobbies future could end with one stroke of the pen. ...
Nothing is really protected. They could take your house or 401K or your life with a stroke of the pen... If the Constitution fails and all thats left if Tyranny. Or they can destroy your savings with inflation, then try and destroy the economy to keep you from getting a raise to keep up with inflation. Seems to me that MGs are about as safe as anything. They are already highly regulated as they put it and priced out of any reason.
 

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Let me know when they tax the rain! They did in my state, no veto to worry about. It did not last but it will still done.



Nothing is really protected. They could take your house or 401K or your life with a stroke of the pen... If the Constitution fails and all thats left if Tyranny. Or they can destroy your savings with inflation, then try and destroy the economy to keep you from getting a raise to keep up with inflation. Seems to me that MGs are about as safe as anything. They are already highly regulated as they put it and priced out of any reason.
That is true and let’s say the do an assault weapon and magazines ban. Well now your gun is worthless as you have no mags unless they grandfathered it all. We may end up like Canada and you can keep your MG until you die but it can’t be sold oh and by the way only 5 round belt or mags are legal to possess. Hope I’m wrong but who knows
 

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That is true and let’s say the do an assault weapon and magazines ban. Well now your gun is worthless as you have no mags unless they grandfathered it all. We may end up like Canada and you can keep your MG until you die but it can’t be sold oh and by the way only 5 round belt or mags are legal to possess. Hope I’m wrong but who knows
We had a AWB and a Mag limit put on us. However its all in how it is done. We have a 10rd magazine limit now (use to be 20) for transfer (buy or sell). However possession is fine with no registration. So we can just go to a neighboring state and bring them back in, 100% legal. Or you can have someone block your mags to limit them, then you go out of state, unblock and bring back in. Its also 100% legal to sell magazine parts...

We have a AWB now in my state. So a pencil barrel AR15 is illegal. If it has a heavy barrel, its fine. SBR AR15 is fine, M16 is fine, Pistol AR15 is fine. SP1, is illegal to transfer. Again its all in how they do it. What makes it a heavy barrel? Well if the manufacturer marks it so, then it is. So if someone would mark a pencil barrel HBAR, then its legal.

There are many ways they can screw us. Through a $1 tax on each round of ammo sold. That kills pretty much everything. You will not even want to shoot anyone in self defense because the ammo is so expensive! They could ban cars that go about 65MPH. They could limit the amount of gas an individual can buy killing the boating industry. There are many ways the Government could turn expensive items into near worthless items. You can't spend your life worrying about that.
 

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I don’t sit and worry about this stuff all the time but it does cross my mind. It seems like every hobby I have is in eminent danger from the govt…guns, old cars, off road trucks, bikes etc. guess I just was born at the wrong time
 

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Biff and Thompson, you're each right in your own compartmentalized approach (you're both pretty, girls). Everyone approaches guns a little differently and it's likely right for them.....

For me and many others, Guns are;

1. A place to park obscene amounts of money
2. An investment that I get to play with, enjoy the building and collecting and flex with buddies a bit
3. Tangible assets that are fairly liquid
4. Investments which always have (when viewed across decades) and foreseeably continue to appreciate
5. A hedge against tyranny
6. Tax deduction for the companies

I have companies, stocks, precious metals, dividends, real estate (commercial, industrial agricultural and residential) but my favorite "investment" is absolutely Guns and appurtenances. Period. When I can't move them anymore and am too old to enjoy them, I'll sell things off for way more (even in todays dollars) than I paid for things and/or pass them along to Family. In my opinion there isn't a more rewarding Investment out there. The return on that investment can't and shouldn't be measured in interest alone, at least not for those of us for which this is more than topical......

Remember that everyone's situation is different, so what isn't an "investment" for you, can and is certainly an investment for others and vice versa.
 

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Colorado does tax the rain, its is called a "stormwater fee" you pay calculated on square footage of your property.
AND, you are not allowed to gather it up and store it for later use in your garden, etc, as the state sells the river water to the next state downstream.

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Richard, The Laws about Home Owners capturing rain water changed about six years ago. Hickenpooper signed Bill 1005 which allows Home Owners to utilized a system for capturing upto 110 gallons at a time. It's still a rediculous law considering most people are just temporarily storing the water before dumping it on their lawns or gardens.....which is where it would of ended up anyhow.
How to harvest rainwater under new Colorado rules?

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Colorado does tax the rain, its is called a "stormwater fee" you pay calculated on square footage of your property.
AND, you are not allowed to gather it up and store it for later use in your garden, etc, as the state sells the river water to the next state downstream.

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i thought he made that up. You’re serious
 

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Colorado does tax the rain, its is called a "stormwater fee" you pay calculated on square footage of your property.

We also have tax like this in Dallas on commercial property, I have 2 vacant lots that have never had a water meter on them but get a $40.00 bill for each lot every month from the water dept.
 

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I bet they also tax your tears that you cry when you pay those taxes.
Colorado has convened a board to establish CODE for energy efficient buildings.
Once those standards are in place we have to report on energy use and what we are doing to improve it.
As a business we have to pay a fee on packaging used to deliver product to any instate customers.
It is supposed to be paid into some non-profit state organization and used for recycling?
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Heard this morning that here in PA the house, senate, and congress are all Dem controlled for the first time since the 40’s. We will be just like all the other liberal states around us now with hardly any gun rights and stupid laws and taxes.
 
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