[panzerfaust]

OK, went to see a great film, "No Country for Old Men" by the guys that produced the film, "Fargo." Very violent, lots of suspense. Quick question. The paid assassin in the film has 2 unique weapons, one rather clever for in close work. However, his other primary appears to be a suppressed shotgun. Is this possible, or is it all Hollywood? Could you suppress such a large caliber/gauge, even with buckshot? Before I tell others about the film, wanted to ask the experts here. Well worth seeing, just for the plain, simple, "matter-of-fact" dialog from the guys from Texas. Must say though, great film, with a unique, kind of weak ending. If you liked 'Fargo" see it. Out.

 

[UncleDad]

I just saw the film as well. I would think that you could suppress a shotgun slug, but from what Ive heard, there is no suppressor for buckshot. A also know a guy who is a weapons engineer for the U.S. Army at the Picatinny Arsenal who eats breaths and shits firearms, and he said it doesnt exist either. Other than that its a very good film. Oh, one thing I found a little "funny", was the part where Kevin Bacon tells the guy that they should go to an ATM. This film takes place in a tiny border town in Texas in 1980. ATMs didn't come into use until at least the mid 1980's. I know they were invented in the late 1960's, but you didnt see them around until much later.

 

[panzerfaust]

Thanks Uncle.

Didn't think you could (suppress) especially with shot. BUT . . .you never know, right? I am confused though. I assumed this film was set in present/current day, due to the massive illegal trade in "Mexican brown" heroin? Also, at one point the 2 sherrifs are talking about "current events" and they are mentioning "kids with green hair, nose piercings," etc. Thought the actor portraying the "hit" did a great job, stone cold killer. Thanks, Out.

 

[UncleDad]

A few of the characters were talking about being in Vietnam, and Woody Harrelson talks about it and says something about it being 8 years ago. Also, near the end of the film, at the funeral scene, the date on the headstone is 1980. It took me a while to realize it took place then as well, as it did seem more modern. And the killer really was amazing. Very well cast.

oops....I also realize I said Kevin Bacon in my previous post, when I meant to say Woody Harrelson. I dont think Kevin Bacon was even in this film.

 

[blackrifles]

You can suppress a shotgun, even with buckshot, I've heard Tromix does this, would imagine they'd have to port barrel (1/8th inch holes?) venting in expansion chamber of suppressor much like they did in ealy subguns. I don't know how far shotgun suppressors have evolved in the last couple of yrs pertaining to noise, the one I heard 4 yrs ago (Rem 870) was as loud as 22 LR, got a look at internals of the beast, can reminded me of a glasspack muffler externally, cumbersome gadget for a door breacher.

"Hollywood" quiet is mostly a myth, the exception being several integral-suppressed 10/22s, and several MkIIs made by defunct Special Ops Shop here in TN during 90's, as well as an Enfield(Delisle-style suppressed .45 ACP conversion) that was literally as loud as snapping your fingers, the Enfield was made by some C-2 near Nashville, don't recall the name. Bolt cycling and bullet impact was the loudest part of the experience, both in Rugers and Enfield, more noticeable than brass hitting the pavement.

 

[Roc Rat]

Some years back I read about a special shotgun round,, It had an encapsulated brass body that expanded when fired but containing the explosion. It was for close work where velocity was not needed. I remember seeing a picture of the shell, before and after. looked like a solid brass shell, with the pellets contained as normal, but would "unfold" and expand a short distance down the bbl when fired, forcing the pellets out the bbl with low velocity.

Check this,, http://weapons.travellercentral.com/ammo/shotgun_teleshot.html

 

[Rory]

and they are mentioning "kids with green hair, nose piercings," etc. Thought the actor portraying the "hit" did a great job, stone cold killer. Thanks, Out.

this started in the late 70s early 80s with the embracement of PUNK ROCK!!!!!!! new wave, post punk and others to follow suit as well.

it did not come more common place until the early 90s... and then it was still super fringe (i should post a pic of me with green or purple hair) and has almost gotten to the point of an acceptable youthful indiscretion now. as it is pretty temporary and harmless.

rory

 

[blackrifles]

I've seen those before, piston-encapsulated rounds, considered "suppressor" by ATF, many SF (incl SOG/SEALs) tested them out during Vietnam War. I'm pretty sure this design was spawned from the likes of the W-II era OSS "dart" rounds for the 1911, but what do I know?

 

[Kojak]

First ATM in Kunming, China

I just saw the film as well. I would think that you could suppress a shotgun slug, but from what Ive heard, there is no suppressor for buckshot. A also know a guy who is a weapons engineer for the U.S. Army at the Picatinny Arsenal who eats breaths and shits firearms, and he said it doesnt exist either. Other than that its a very good film. Oh, one thing I found a little "funny", was the part where Kevin Bacon tells the guy that they should go to an ATM. This film takes place in a tiny border town in Texas in 1980. ATMs didn't come into use until at least the mid 1980's. I know they were invented in the late 1960's, but you didnt see them around until much later.

Back in the late 1980's I took a cash advance from my credit card off a spanking new ATM machine in Kunming, China. I did not see the debit on my account until sox months later, well after returning home. Now that is what I call service!

 

[panzerfaust]

Thanks Rory.

Well now, Gee I WAS one of those kwazy kids Rory, wearing cammie fatigues, jump boots, sporting linked dummy .308 as my belt "accoutrement." Yep, I was even going to Clash concerts, Talking Heads, and Pretenders shows. Just a little bit before your time there, lil guy. Thanks for the input. Good call on the tombstone date, Uncle. Thanks gentlemen for all the input on the shotgun suppressor. And yes, in this film it is ridiculously LARGE!! Good film.

 

[Rory]

any agent orange in there to panzer?
they are still touring.

but hey how was i supposed to know. your post made those things seem as though they dated the movie as more current.

there is a special place in my collection for tangerine dream and anything from factory early post punk and well lets just say i am a fan

r

 

[panzerfaust]

Agent Orange/Tangerine Dream?

Well now Rory, I still have my 45 disc of "Napalm Sticks to Kids." Yep, I was actually alive for dare I say . . ."8-Track cassettes!" (the horror!) So, your post about punk did get me chuckling, as I was conversing with Iggy Pop back in the day. (Waaaaaay back) OK, so we are now discussing early soundtracks and films. You would enjoy the film "Sorcerer" (1977/Friedkin) as the tracks are by Tangerine. It is a good re-make of the French film, "The Wages Of Fear." (1953) Brief synopsis. 4 DESPERATE men flee to a crappy S. American country, all for different reasons. Their only way out of this crap hole is via hitting a big paydirt, by driving 2 truckloads of nitroglycerine thru the jungle. The nitro. is needed to blow out an oil rig fire. Roy Scheider gives a good role, and you can almost smell these guys sweating as they drive a 2 1/2 ton truck loaded full of nitro. thru the jungle. Rock on youngster! Out.

 

[blkbd]

As said yes you can and with shot, The tube is perferated like a 1919 barrel shroud and no baffles to come in direct contact with the wad or slug.

 

[blackrifles]

Blkbd,

WTH is at the bottom of that pic, pump/auto shotgun?

Thanks for posting the pics, on the 870 the barrel itself was ported, can screwed on to an externally threaded adapter perm-attached to barrel. Works same as the adapter you posted, just enough room to remove mag tube cap, now that I think about it, believe barrel was shorter than 18".

 

[panzerfaust]

Thanks blkbd.

Well Blackrifles, whatever it (bottom) is, it sure looks pretty damn close to what the "hit" was packing in the movie. Only difference is that the can in the film was much larger. Made some really large holes, too. Stay safe guys. Out.

 

[blkbd]

That bottom one is one toy that I had slip through my fingers! As too the question is it pump or auto-Well it both. That is the big brother to the famous Spas 12 shotgun. The Spas 15, The 15 is in basic the same as to the 12 but is magazine fed not tube fed shotgun

Here is a link to the Spas 15 manual in Pdf http://spas12.com/spas15-manual.pdf

 

[Colorado1919]

I don't remember where but years ago i saw a pic of a M2 HB with a can on the bbl. Big can and don't know if it worked or not.

 

[AZ1919]

any agent orange in there to panzer?
they are still touring.


there is a special place in my collection for tangerine dream and anything from factory early post punk and well lets just say i am a fan

r

Punk on 1919a4.com? I have often thought about using Wendy O as my avatar. But I was not sure if anyone would get it. http://www.modernatomic.com/plasmatics/images/hisoc.jpg (This link is PG but might require some explaining if the kids walk in ).

Off topics like this happen because ammo is so expensive.

IF or when ammo ever goes to a reasonable level I think we we see less "off-topic" posts and more posts about blasting away all weekend, my 19 is broke, and anyone know where to by a spare cart stop? Until then, punk is cool with me.

 

[GUNRUNNER5150]

did somebody say 50BMG suppressors, well here ya go

http://youtube.com/watch?v=P1_f3Afva4A&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yYciuOoXoT4

GR5150

 

[patriotpa]

Wendy O? Best pair in Rock and Roll! Too bad she's gone. She was the real deal.

Rock on Wendy. We miss you.