[NoFFLRequired]

I have built numerous Romy AK kits and AR 15 80% receivers successfully. I got really interested in these 1919 kits here in the last few days. I looked at the milled 80% RSP's at Ohio Rapid Fire. This seems to be the way to go on not having to mill and yet getting an 80% is it not? I am also considering .308 but found a few things on websites about 7.62x54R, a very fairly priced round currently. It seems that the total build cost is around $800-$1000? I am going to try to get the kit as a Christmas present so that should ease up on the price. I would probably use the same paint "Duracoat" that I have used on my AK's and AR's, unless you guys say otherwise?

How hard are these to build than these AK's and AR's I have done before?

I expect it to be harder, but just how much?

Any other suggestions I am all ears, thanks for your time.

 

[Rory]

the build is not really hard... it is tough. lots of rivets lots of rilling and if you don't have a mill you will have to send your internals off to be machined. everyone suggests 30calmachinegunner from this site. i do too. he has done a lot of work for me and countless others

the trigger and ser you will want to get from karma metal products out of mansfield ohio.


as for finish, most go with parkerizing. but durocoat will do.


400 kit
125 sideplate
200 internal machine work plus karma trigger and sear
25 or so for rivets

the rest is time and labor

you can build your 1919 in:
308 8mm or 30-06 with a super easy conversion. pretty much a cartrige stop barrel and booster.

the 54r is a more permanent conversion where the internals will have to be different and will only then work for 54r. i think the guy who does that goes by barrelexchange on here

reviews for it are great. i just don't like to be limited so i have not gone for it.


i have one in each 308 8mm and 30-06 now. they are addictive and you will want more than one.

 

[glockhead]

welcome aboard

rory hit it pretty well. the only thing he neglected to talk about is the addiction. not much compares to running off a 500 round belt

you will need a good mount for the gun too

 

[Rory]

they are addictive and you will want more than one.

well i mentioned it but no one believes it until they realize that they have more than they have hands, a belt loader on the way (delivery date tomorrow) and a zillion links.

 

[quizkid]

Let's see, belts, links, ammo, A6 kit, loader, linker, ammo, transit case, spare parts, another kit, ammo, tripod, T&E, crankfire, ammo, spare barrels, caliber conversions, ammo cans, another kit, oh yeah, did I mention ammo?

That is how this addiction progresses! And if you are married, you might need to find new and creative ways to sneak the stuff into the house!

Hello, I'm Quizkid, I'm an addict.
Welcome friend!

Oh yeah, Rory has a post count of 4,000+ because he talks a lot, but most of the posts are, "I'll take it." But we like him despite it!

 

[deepocean]

the build is not really hard... it is tough. lots of rivets lots of rilling and if you don't have a mill you will have to send your internals off to be machined. everyone suggests 30calmachinegunner from this site. i do too. he has done a lot of work for me and countless others

the trigger and ser you will want to get from karma metal products out of mansfield ohio.


as for finish, most go with parkerizing. but durocoat will do.


400 kit
125 sideplate
200 internal machine work plus karma trigger and sear
25 or so for rivets

the rest is time and labor

you can build your 1919 in:
308 8mm or 30-06 with a super easy conversion. pretty much a cartrige stop barrel and booster.

the 54r is a more permanent conversion where the internals will have to be different and will only then work for 54r. i think the guy who does that goes by barrelexchange on here

reviews for it are great. i just don't like to be limited so i have not gone for it.


i have one in each 308 8mm and 30-06 now. they are addictive and you will want more than one.

I see the prices for building from parts mentioned a lot, but there are so many different places that sell parts, could you please list specific recommendations for each of the things you mentioned (ie: kit, side plate, rivets, etc.?)

Prices on the kits seem to vary between $400 and almost $900. If you want to build a 1919a4 from parts that are in really good shape, how do you know where to find select-grade parts? I want to buy a few kits, but I don't want the problems that some people seem to be having with certain vendors.

Does anyone carry new 250 round belts that will work in the .308 Israeli kits?

Is it a given that all of the parts kits available are OK as far as meeting all the ATF requirements for importation?

It's hard for beginners to know where to start.

 

[Rory]

well there are a couple things that you do not leave up to chance

machine work: 30calmachinegunner
trigger and sear: KMP

30cal can install the trigger and sear with the work being done, he generally has a stock of those parts on hand


there are a few places to get sideplates.
i have them from kmp, halo, and an 80% plate that 30 cal had around during hte build party


kits well, john mcguire (on this site has them)
http://www.coledistributing.com/ has them but i think you will have to call his website does somethign funky on the parts kit page

ohio ordnance works might still have some left, but i think that they are out.

pretty much anywhere worth its salt will have the rsp removed so it will be within atf specs

msg here has rivet sets super cheap go to him for those.

hope i have helped.

 

[JS_70h]

I didn't do the internals work myself (hired that work out), but I found the process of building a 1919 form an 80% plate much easier than building an AK from an 80% flat. Line it up, drill the holes, squeeze the rivets. No rails to weld in place or trim down, no heat treating to mess with, no worries about headspace, no need to replace perfectly good parts just because of where they were made.

OTOH, like AKs nowadays, the price is pretty much the same to do all the work and build it yourself as it is to buy one professionally done. It's only worth doing if you enjoy the process.

 

[deepocean]

well there are a couple things that you do not leave up to chance

machine work: 30calmachinegunner
trigger and sear: KMP

kits well, john mcguire (on this site has them)
msg here has rivet sets super cheap go to him for those.

hope i have helped.

Thank you, your post was very helpful.

Does John still sell kits? How much are they? I didn't see them listed recently in the for sale area.

What about the ammo belts? Should I use Israeli belts if I am getting a 1919a4 with Israeli parts?

Which spare parts should I buy? I want to have multiple spares in case something happens and spare parts dry up.

 

[Crankfire Systems]

Addiction isn't a really a problem........

Don't let these guys scare you about getting hooked on Brownings. You can quit anytime you want. I just did, and I've only got 14 so far. Of course I did switch over to building MG47s to help with the withdrawal symptoms!!

Have fun!!
Thanks,
Emory Jones

 

[Conch1]

To answer your earlier question...If you are not set up to parkerize, Duracoat "Parker" works great. I have a couple of guns done with that, Including my watercooleds. Not only looks good, it holds up well.

 

[NoFFLRequired]

well there are a couple things that you do not leave up to chance

machine work: 30calmachinegunner
trigger and sear: KMP

30cal can install the trigger and sear with the work being done, he generally has a stock of those parts on hand


there are a few places to get sideplates.
i have them from kmp, halo, and an 80% plate that 30 cal had around during hte build party


kits well, john mcguire (on this site has them)
http://www.coledistributing.com/ has them but i think you will have to call his website does somethign funky on the parts kit page

ohio ordnance works might still have some left, but i think that they are out.

pretty much anywhere worth its salt will have the rsp removed so it will be within atf specs

msg here has rivet sets super cheap go to him for those.

hope i have helped.

Do I need machine work with the RSP from Ohio Rapid Fire? The Cole Dist. site did not list any kits.

 

[Dan @ Angola Armory]

Cole Distributing has 90% and 95% 1919 replacement parts sets, in stock, ready to ship. You will require machining on the bolt, barrel extension and lock frame no matter who's RSP you choose to meet compliance in building a semi-auto 1919A4.
Dan

 

[deepocean]

Cole Distributing has 90% and 95% 1919 replacement parts sets, in stock, ready to ship. You will require machining on the bolt, barrel extension and lock frame no matter who's RSP you choose to meet compliance in building a semi-auto 1919A4.
Dan

What would you expect the differences would be between a 90% and a 95% kit? It is just a finish difference, or are there functional wear differences on the parts?

I would imagine they will both need to be refinished after the machine work riveting, etc.. If the the % difference speaks to wear differences in the parts, wouldn't a higher % contribute to some difference in the final fit/finish/appearance?

 

[Dan @ Angola Armory]

The difference in % is the amount of finish left on the individual parts, ie; since their last re-build and required demilling to meet current regs.

 

[Rory]

i have purchased both what are called 90% and 95%

in the end you are going to blast everything and refinish it all so not much of a difference

 

[N2124V]

If you REALLY want to have fun with a 1919, save pennies and go full auto, then save some more to buy ammo, then sell blood to buy ammo, then sell children to buy ammo, then sell wife to buy ammo........... The only addiction that I have found that is worse is flying..... But the FAA gets cranky when you put the 1919 on the airplane so you can't combine the two..