1919 A4 Forums banner

1 - 20 of 28 Posts

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
6,504 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
I haven't said anything before now and GWR1 is too much of a gentleman to whine about it, but I felt a need to post this in hopes of maybe preventing someone else that hosts build parties from being victimized.

A $500 set of milled internals from 30calmachinegunner with a KMP trigger and sear was taken from GWR1 at the N. Va build party he hosted a month ago. He's given ample opportunity for them to make their way back home and it hasn't happened.

I hate to hear of something like this, but once it happens it may be a wake up call for others of us that host these things. I can only say, don't leave anything valuable unattended if you don't know the people personally that are visiting your home. It's a shame that trust is violated among guys that we figure are plane old honest 1919 enthusiasts. As it probably will every honest guy that attended that build, it kinda chaps my a$$.
 

·
Legendary Donor
Joined
·
2,485 Posts
I wasn't there and am sorry to hear this, I am going to offer to machine another set of internals for him for free if he wants them and will sell him another set of KMP parts at a further reduced price than what I already sell them for. It sounded like he had a GREAT build party and its a shame this happened, Brian
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,984 Posts
Have all the people who attended the build party been contacted to let them know that somebody 'accidentally' left with more parts than they should have? I'd like to think that someone just got sloppy when they gathered up their equipment to go home - although it's kind of hard to pick up a spare set of internals without noticing them. Still - on the odd chance that something got put in someone's tool box by mistake, asking everyone to double check all the boxes and things that they brought home from the build party might prompt someone to come forward.

Was the "guest list" tight enough that the host knows who all was there? Or were there any 'tourists' who tagged along to watch? How many people were at the party?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
192 Posts
That's terrible!
Maybe the original build members could chip in an equal amount each to replace the missing parts. They saved a lot of $$$ not having to buy tooling and chase everything down and didn't even have to know what they were doing. The cheapest built guns seem to be in the $1000 range.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,355 Posts
Hoo-Rah!!! At last I CAN finally got back into the forum -- you'd not believe the biyatch of a time I had finally ztting back in. The system not only told me I'd fogotten my password (yeah, right!) but that MY E-MAIL ADDRESS WAS NO GOOD! (Uh, like maybe I changed it while I was gone?)

About the trip -- got to the Improvisational Organ Competition in Haarlam, about 50 miles from Amsterdam, (a 4500 Euro prize, about $6,000 USD.) One is supposed to improvise from the first 5 or 10 bars given, and improvise for 15 minutes, with a penalty for going over or under. Well, one (dope) doesn't usually wear a watch and only went NINE minutes -- guess. The REAL kicker -- the "jury" (6 pre-eminent organists) decided NOBODY was good enough, and declined to award the prize!!! Also went to the last day (July 2) of the Rembrandt Exhibition -- got three beautiful etchings from original Rembrandt plates, flew first class all the way there and back, (UAL retirees get what's "left over.") The business manager thought "Mary Jane's," those shoes high-school girls wear, would look nice -- but they're NOT what one walks half-way across the continent in -- and remember, I'm former Army, ("We do by 9 AM what the rest of the world accomplishes in the whole day.) So, she had some MAJOR foot/ankle/leg problems -- went straight from Dulles Airport to the Kaiser-Permanente after hours care. She wasn't hospitalized with the cellulitis which I suspected, luckily, 'cause that's potentially deadly. She's doing much better now. 'Course, she'd already had "excellent" nursing care -- former medic, don't ya' know -- but what do I know, I'm not her docktor, and she doesn't HAVE to follow MY orders. And I couldn't prescribe much more than acetaminophen, (Paracetamol in Europe) ace-wraps and keep the feet up.

About the incident: That engraved RHSP went mistakenly missing too, ("S Browning" from .30cal.) There were two visitors, -- besides our friends in blue, what a great story -- one brought the air compressor all the way from the other direction from (edited) for his buddy, who came from the other direction 'cause of work, and one other. I haven't really notified "Everyone," so thanks for doing this Lobo. I just don't believe anyone would have done this intentionally, and still hope they'll be found. The business manager says I have enough guns now anyway -- but she just bought one week-before-last, (with a little encouragement) a Ruger 10/22 which I've, (I mean SHE'S) been wanting for a long time. They've got those new mags out now, ya' know! She doesn't know she "needs" them, YET. Someone, (Will Rogers?) said "One can trust ALL of the people SOME of the time, and SOME of the people ALL of the time -- but one cannot trust ALL of the people ALL of the time." I'd like to think that this board consists of the "ALL of the people ALL of the time," and I still do.

I hope all those who attended will look through the stuff they brought home and find the internals and RHSP and they'll put them in the mail (insured.) I suspect they'll show up somewhere. This will go into my memory as about the best party. with the best bunch of guys, gals and one 10 y.o., (who now addresses me as "Mister" Gary) I'VE ever had or been to -- nobody got drunk and had to be asked to leave and no angry words, no sloppy women to laugh at -- just a darn good time. Still looking for some green wood for smoking meat. (Did I mention...?) "What a country!"

CARRY on!
Gary
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,239 Posts
Guns and Company....

Guns and Company...

You know guys I was kinda dumbfounded about three months ago when I went to one of our local ranges. I've always said that I can only trust people I go shooting with and that the shooting community was one of the most honest...

Well wouldn't you know it somebody had to prove me wrong. My buddy and I went to the range to shoot our 1911's and had our 50cal box stocked up with 800 plus rounds in our shooting area left for a few minutes to shoot some knock downs before we cleaned up. Came back cleaned up and someone had walked off with all our rounds... It wasn't the fact that it couldn't be replaced it wasn't about the time it took to make those reloads it was just the point a community that I had placed a lot of trust into let me down. Since then we continue to check back at the range to see if someone turned the ammo in but to no avail it never has... The one thing I do have to say is that the scumbag took a bad batch of .45's some didn't get some powder thanks to the cheap press we were using:D

See Karma will get you... So I hope all you folks that went to that party double and triple check things and get those parts back where they belong an honest mistake is just that...

Good Luck Guys and Thanks for all the help on the forum
Brian
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,169 Posts
As the old saying go's NOT EVEN A THIEF LIKES A THIEF! To break into and steal someone property is low but to steal form someone who invited you into there home!:mad: Well I let you think of some choice words to discribe that person.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
23 Posts
Given the amount of equipment that some people brought to the build party I hold out hope that it may still be mixed in with some ones gear.

If not, as BLKBD mentioned, it really pisses me off to even think that someone would steal from Gary after he was gracious enough to invite them into their home.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
896 Posts
People with sticky fingers should have them cut -off !!

I learned the hard way also . years ago I had a very large Garand collection with a lot of stuff in it-- I also had been rehabbing garand rifles for many years- I took a standard m-1 garand's and rebuilt them into match rifles. Anyone knowing what it takes to do that will realize that most of the pre & early WWII parts are either worn out or obsolete . And for years I traded Brand new late model parts for early parts; both with the owners consent and to save them money.

I was talking with one of the founding members of the GCA and he asked to come over and look at my early parts. While he was over I got an overseas phone call and became distracted from what was going on for a few minutes-- This ""GCA founding member"" was left alone looking through my parts
----- ""BIG F'ING mistake"" My call was from a buddy on Guam and this guy asked if he could "" Borrow"" a barrel I had for a GCA article; last I ever saw of this guy , my barrel, and a bunch of early sight parts-- BTW My barrel did appear in the GCA magazine as a "" New acquisition"" on his part-- Between the barrel and the parts figure I lost in todays market about $2500.00 -- Moral of the story-- very expensive phone call !!

At least fakery hasn't really showed up in the shooter 1919 area as of yet !!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,336 Posts
GWR1
Private message me ( home computer went down ) I am sure i have a few extra sets of internals i bought awhile ago. if you need a set i'll give them to you at my cost

keith ( daves100 )
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,206 Posts
I'm amazed that some1 would walk out with these parts, it must make the Host wonder if they should have another build party and risk the theft or mistaking of somebody elses parts being taken...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
61 Posts
Kali Komrade said:
Guns and Company...

You know guys I was kinda dumbfounded about three months ago when I went to one of our local ranges. I've always said that I can only trust people I go shooting with and that the shooting community was one of the most honest...

Well wouldn't you know it somebody had to prove me wrong. My buddy and I went to the range to shoot our 1911's and had our 50cal box stocked up with 800 plus rounds in our shooting area left for a few minutes to shoot some knock downs before we cleaned up. Came back cleaned up and someone had walked off with all our rounds... It wasn't the fact that it couldn't be replaced it wasn't about the time it took to make those reloads it was just the point a community that I had placed a lot of trust into let me down. Since then we continue to check back at the range to see if someone turned the ammo in but to no avail it never has... The one thing I do have to say is that the scumbag took a bad batch of .45's some didn't get some powder thanks to the cheap press we were using:D

See Karma will get you... So I hope all you folks that went to that party double and triple check things and get those parts back where they belong an honest mistake is just that...

Good Luck Guys and Thanks for all the help on the forum
Brian

Makes you want to run up a special box or two loaded with a full case of Bullseye. And hope that the dirtbag that steals THOSE trys to run 'em through his brand new Ed Brown or Novak. I'd like to be watching that.:D :D
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
733 Posts
Unbelievable!!! I always hated a barracks thief. Anyone who steals from his mates or friends is the lowest of the low.

fjruple
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
47 Posts
I'm confused, I thought Gary said he knew where they were and they were on the way back along with an oil can? I unpacked everything I brought and the only thing I had that I didn't come with was two small rivets:confused:

Someone has cast a dark cloud over some fine folks. I'd go ahead and file a police report. I believe the value exceeds the minimum for grand larceny. Give them contact info on everyone that was there, I'll PM you with my info. I know you don't know me from Adam, all I can offer you other than my word I took nothing that didn't belong to me is the Phone # to my local police station along with the names of detectives that I grew up with and know me personally. I'll take no offense should you chose to do so either.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
115 Posts
Gary, I am with 1919dummie. I thought you found the internals? I went and searched the garage again in the boxes I brought. Nothing!!! Is it the same internals that you and I were fooling with in your basement at the work bench and were going to try in Tylers 1919 but didn't? Stealing is bull#^*@ period but to steal from a person that opened his house to everyone, made everyone feel welcome, and cooked food for everyone, really f#*&@#*&% pisses me off!!! I'm sure everyone else at the tupperware party will be with me when I offer to help pay for the replacement parts and ask others that had a great time and enjoyed the generosity of both Gary and Bina to help as well. I'm really sorry that there would be someone so low as to treat a friend like that. Let me know what I can do and you have my word I will do whatever is necessary.
Todd
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
383 Posts
People probably do not realize the cost and contributions the hosts of build parties pay, in all the little things such as electricity, drill bits, wear and tear and on and on. Hope this has a happy ending!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
201 Posts
I have looked a couple of times in my parts parts box and nothing.I saw a couple of plates on the washer leading into the garage.I HATE A THEIF!!!!Surely who ever has the parts knows,PLEASE SEND THEM BACK TO GWR1.I had an excelent time but this puts a black cloud over the entire day.I would like to contribute to the "GWR1 internals and plate fund".gunut
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
6,504 Posts
Discussion Starter #20
Gary can be confusing in his posts sometimes :). He first posted that they were missing and asked all attendees to check their bags. No one came up with the parts. Gary then posted that they were on their way back and I think that was a Gary thing so people wouldn't think there was a thief in the batch or was his attempt to flush the quail and give the person one last chance to say they accidentally picked them up...didn't work. You'd have to ask Gary what was in his mind with all that. However, Gary has emailed me that the parts were never returned and I posted only as a warning to others. This individual is liable to show up at another build party in that area with a great set of internals and a rsp that he came by dishonestly. As others have posted about their own disappointing experiences, keep an eye on your stuff...if he will steal once he will do it again. When I host a build, great guys like scoutfal, xkss62 and xanthier usually show up and I don't have to worry about someone walking off with something cuz there's four sets of eyes and one of them is always around when I'm not.

I hope this clears it up...based on what Gary says, and I have no reason to disbelieve him, somebody stole them.
 
1 - 20 of 28 Posts
Top