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I'm not sure what this part is called, but it is slightly loose. It's not wobbling around or anything. It just has a little play in it, maybe 1 mm of play in all directions. I checked the screw (on underside of gun) that holds the part in place and it is tight and still in-place where it was staked.

Is this normal? My 1919 is a BlackBear with about 1200 rounds through the gun.


 

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So true as Lou stated. Usually 1/4 turn out from a tight screw. In fact, I've heard of some people running the breech block cam without the screw even holding it in place loosely. Don't recommend it, but I've heard of it being done :)
 

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So true as Lou stated. Usually 1/4 turn out from a tight screw. In fact, I've heard of some people running the breech block cam without the screw even holding it in place loosely. Don't recommend it, but I've heard of it being done :)

More than one person has lost that screw during a shooting session and never notice until they strip it down for cleaning. Not recommended but it will run without the screw.
 

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....cam ...

Doesnt the breach block cam keep everything from wanting to exit the rear? If true I would think you want that thing to stay in place
The cam also has a slot that helps keep it in place. The screw just keeps it there during other operations. The barrel extension and such keep it from exiting the gun during operation. Also...the lock frame has a detent that keeps the parts in place. Find a 3/8 x24 x 1/2" bolt to replace the screw if you loose it....
 

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That floating Breech Lock Cam has been a mystery for many years. That mystery was compounded for me when Bill Ricca posted a clip from one U.S. manual that specified that guns built by Saginaw could have the Cam drawn tight before staking, while all other mfgs were to back off the screw slightly, then staked.

Then I learned why. For those interested, it's all in Dolf's book. It's easy to miss, and the significance is not so obvious unless you study the section describing the Ordnance Dept's efforts to overcome the apparent weaknesses of the original 1917 and the aircraft guns based on that design. Once they figured out why receivers were failing, one contractor developed the solution. That is, the floating cam. Thank Marlin-Rockwell for that little bit of magic. See Dolf's Vol 1 page 230, the section on Endurance Testing of Browning Aircraft guns.

As to Saginaw having an exemption, my guess is that the strength of the Armasteel bottom plates proved to be greater than the forged ones, and that allowed them to stand up better to the beating that the floating cam eliminated. I think the stirrup bottom plate is not prone to cracking much anyway, unlike the original, dovetailed design. But the floating cam stuck throughout the generations of development.
 
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