O.K. let's see now! We've got a bunch of enemy combatants in custody. We adhere to the Geneva Convention on treatment of POW's. They receive three squares a day with special consideration for their religious tenets, clothing, medical care, freedom to practice their religion while in custody, and all other Geneva Conv. guarantees. Despite all this, the U.S. is cursed, reviled and protested worldwide for our treatment of POW's. Contrast this to the treatment of our soldiers captured by the freedom loving "insurgents". They are tortured and beheaded without so much as a whimper from the rest of the world. And what's worse absolutely nothing is said or done to express our outrage. C'mon Ted Kennedy or John Kerry aren't you the least bit upset!!!
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Rules only apply to decent people. The f ing arabs dont care what we as infidels think and are smart enuff to know that our own media can be used against us. We need to squash the whole lot for the evil reeking bugs that they are, right to the last generation. And yes feel free to critisize the global condemnation, but if you can sort them out let me know. As for Kerry and the drunk from Mass, this only tells me that the majority of people in Mass are stupid.
Meanwhile nuke em all and let God sort them out.
Meanwhile nuke em all and let God sort them out.
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I think it time to start playing the game at their level. Not with prisoners, mind you, but with some VERY hard edged tactics through the terrorist stronghold neighborhoods. Not just patrols, but house to house, put guns to people's heads and force the "innocents" to tell us who and where the bad guys are. Then take them out, executions on the spot. Pressure has to be put on those who are either in support of the terrorists or too scared to come forward. Make them more scared of US!
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I agree completely. I was around when private companies like "Air America" got the jobs done behind the scenes 1968-1974. Companies that can work effectively with the U.S.'s complete support...but not necessarily their knowledge and approval.
We have many contractors like Black Water and Kellog Brown & Root....but its time to send in the "Great Satan".....and make the Mooz's fear the night. Everybody disapproves and hates us now as it is.....lets give them something to really fear. If your caught out at night (digging a hole to plant a roadside) your dead....if your out for any reason...your dead. You better wait till morning to take a piss or milk your goats. I'm also for manning these teams with crusty old fucks like myself that haven't got that much to lose...and have grown bitter watching 2500 young soldiers die "trying" to do the right thing and remain politically correct. If we're going to be hated anyhow....I'm all for letting the Red Ass'd Bad guys do the wrong thing....and get it over with. The people in the world have short memories....thats why the liberals already don't understand why were over there. Its time to adapt the "Kill them All" attitude...let their own Gods sort them out. Those of us that are goin' to Hell anyhow....get a quicker ride.
We have many contractors like Black Water and Kellog Brown & Root....but its time to send in the "Great Satan".....and make the Mooz's fear the night. Everybody disapproves and hates us now as it is.....lets give them something to really fear. If your caught out at night (digging a hole to plant a roadside) your dead....if your out for any reason...your dead. You better wait till morning to take a piss or milk your goats. I'm also for manning these teams with crusty old fucks like myself that haven't got that much to lose...and have grown bitter watching 2500 young soldiers die "trying" to do the right thing and remain politically correct. If we're going to be hated anyhow....I'm all for letting the Red Ass'd Bad guys do the wrong thing....and get it over with. The people in the world have short memories....thats why the liberals already don't understand why were over there. Its time to adapt the "Kill them All" attitude...let their own Gods sort them out. Those of us that are goin' to Hell anyhow....get a quicker ride.
Two infantry Marines were convicted in courts-martial May 14 of abusing an Iraqi prisoner with electrical shocks, Marine Corps officials said May 27
but they go around cutting off the heads of 2 young Marines and the F-ing news is not covering it like the do when a marine gets convicted for abuse..
makes me sick, we should go in draw a damn line in the sand if you want help and our support get over here pick up a weapon and fight if not you die with the rest of them..
but they go around cutting off the heads of 2 young Marines and the F-ing news is not covering it like the do when a marine gets convicted for abuse..
makes me sick, we should go in draw a damn line in the sand if you want help and our support get over here pick up a weapon and fight if not you die with the rest of them..
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Guys ,
You seem to be missing a point here. Getting dead doesn't seem to bother them. Infact they seem to look forward to it. So what you need to do is be nice. Feed them a nice HAM sandwich, THEN send them into the next world with a full belly
... Sort of makes you wonder how high a demand there would be for explosives that had a mixture of hog fat in it????.Kind of makes you wonder how soon the killing might stop if they knew everything that was thrown back at them had some kind of pig by product in it????...Lou
You seem to be missing a point here. Getting dead doesn't seem to bother them. Infact they seem to look forward to it. So what you need to do is be nice. Feed them a nice HAM sandwich, THEN send them into the next world with a full belly
... Sort of makes you wonder how high a demand there would be for explosives that had a mixture of hog fat in it????.Kind of makes you wonder how soon the killing might stop if they knew everything that was thrown back at them had some kind of pig by product in it????...Lou
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Lou I like your idea the best . Chris
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a new calling/death card for our troops to use on insurgents pickled pigs feet kill one and stuff it down his craw he will not be headed to islamic heaven
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Take all the pig guts and left overs (sorry spam company) and air drop it all over the G-d Da-m place and watch them run like roaches,,,shoot the ones that run welcome the ones that dont. Its so much BS,,,the politicians dont understand,,the very next day after we leave its gona be the same as 1000 years ago,,the weak are killed the strong take over,,end of story,we cannot change it. They wipe there ass-s with their left hand and a camel is worth more than a woman over there! If I was pres I would pull every american home,,put military on boarder, give every legal american $500,000(1 mil per family) for a house,education or medical reasons( not for a crack rock) and we would still be way under what we spend over seas. And the ass-s dont even want us there!End the impotation of cra- from China and korea(sorry wal mart shoppers) and see how they come to us with money,,,WE are the market for the world,,do you think Africa buys the silly stuff from k mart/ walmart etc...???? Europe does not drive the world economy!
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It seems like....
It seems like today that if a war is not over in a few hours it just takes too long... I'm sure most of the younger people today think that WW2 was over when we dropped the bomb it wasn't. We had to rebuild what we destroyed and still there were a few resistant pockets out there. War should never be televised especially to this generation of we gotta have it yesterdays. You know since the animal lovers don't want us to hunt anymore maybe hunting trips in the middle east would go over well... No Limits... No Tags... No Problem... Come on down
Did I hear the news right that they were seeking the death penalty for our Marines. I can't even believe the Marines are allowing these guys to be locked up... They look like escape goats to me... un F-ing believable
It seems like today that if a war is not over in a few hours it just takes too long... I'm sure most of the younger people today think that WW2 was over when we dropped the bomb it wasn't. We had to rebuild what we destroyed and still there were a few resistant pockets out there. War should never be televised especially to this generation of we gotta have it yesterdays. You know since the animal lovers don't want us to hunt anymore maybe hunting trips in the middle east would go over well... No Limits... No Tags... No Problem... Come on down
Did I hear the news right that they were seeking the death penalty for our Marines. I can't even believe the Marines are allowing these guys to be locked up... They look like escape goats to me... un F-ing believable
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I heard my feelings expressed very well on Fox News last night and I hope this incident is the catalyst to some positive action and unity in the US. We need to stop being held hostage by our media and either escalate this effort and clean up that country to where we can leave it in the hands of the newly forming moderate government, or get the hell out. We're at that point now and if we don't do one or the other this is going to be another Nam.
My personal feeling is that the insurgents just crapped in their birds nest big time by this incident. Just like 911, they just made it real personal. I hope I'm not wrong about the US reaction, but we'll see.
These insurgents have to eat and sleep somewhere and some of the civilian population knows where they are and you can bet someone saw where our soldiers were taken. As far as I'm concerned that makes those civilians the enemy too...sorry if they're too near when the shooting starts.
My personal feeling is that the insurgents just crapped in their birds nest big time by this incident. Just like 911, they just made it real personal. I hope I'm not wrong about the US reaction, but we'll see.
These insurgents have to eat and sleep somewhere and some of the civilian population knows where they are and you can bet someone saw where our soldiers were taken. As far as I'm concerned that makes those civilians the enemy too...sorry if they're too near when the shooting starts.
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what you said pure genius a new class of weapon the MOASB the spam company would get rich supplying spam for 20K lbs Mother Of All Spam Bombs a couple of hundred of them dropped and that would be the end of it
the equivelent of the neutron bomb for for islamic countrys i like it
what you said pure genius a new class of weapon the MOASB the spam company would get rich supplying spam for 20K lbs Mother Of All Spam Bombs a couple of hundred of them dropped and that would be the end of it
the equivelent of the neutron bomb for for islamic countrys i like it
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I wrote this letter to Army times. They printed it. It went to every Times paper at every Military post, world wide. The Pen IS ?.!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Downing
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:41 AM
Subject: Suggested revision to letter to editor
To: Keely Goss
Editorial assistant
Army Times Publishing Company
Air Force/Navy times
6883 Commercial Drive
Springfield, VA 22159
You have my total authority to edit the letter any way you wish. I just want to help. Please e-mail me on your final edit or communicate with me by phone. If I call you it costs me nothing.....850-773-0054
I have just read another report of American soldiers being convicted of "insulting, being mean, harassing, tormenting, whatever" to hostile force prisoners. If it was not for the empathy I feel for my fellow service people I could laugh heartily at the irony involved. I will explain:
Air force Survival School, Near Spokane Washington, 1966: Day one: escapement and evasion training all out doors, without any break, until sunset and fully exhausted. Well after dark, crawl through barbed wire on your belly, unbelievably tired, crawling into waiting captors, strange soldiers speaking a language no one has ever heard. This is your first opportunity for a rifle butt in the mouth. From this point you will seldom walk but you will be dragged frequently. You have a bag tied over your head and you are thrown (Not escorted, _THROWN!) against the back wall of the concrete cell that will be your home. (I am 5'-7" tall and I could not lay horizontally with my feet straight out.) You still have the bag over your head. You are told in broken English that if you manage to get the bag off you would be beaten. Some did and they were beaten. I managed to get the bag off and re-tie it in the exact knot they used but with slack and I could squeeze it over my head and quickly pull it back over my head when a guard came. Guards came and invented a game, new to me, which I always remember naming it "horizontal basket ball." The guards were very big and they picked me up and threw me against the back wall repeatedly. I was a Combat Controller and therefore, thought my butt was bullet proof. The Guards "educated" me. I was dragged out and interrogated. Unacceptable answers earned a clout on my head. Dragged back to the cell and THROWN in. Dead fish parts and rice for food.
The cell had no furniture, no blanket. I slept on the concrete floor. The only object in the cell was a tin can to carry out waste through a tiny door at the bottom of the big door. I could lay with my ear against the tiny door and hear the guards talking outside of the building. I could not tell if it was day or night. (Sensory deprivation is very effective.) Time became meaningless except for the changing of the guard. One day? night? the prisoner in the cell right across from me started screaming wildly and continuously. Guards came and took him away. He never came back.
One day the routine changed. Prisoners were taken out every day and worked. Another day a prisoner, a full Colonel, if my memory serves, began screaming at the guards about how they couldn't treat him this way because he was an officer. They made all the prisoners fall in to formation. Guards stripped the Colonel bare and turned a fire hose on him. He screamed incoherently. They dragged him away. He never returned. I doubt if he was allowed to remain in the Air Force.
I was the only prisoner in my class to escape the prison. I was rewarded with a cup of coffee later and returned into the camp as a prisoner with a (phony) beating and asked for my promise not to tell the other prisoners of my success lest they get a morale boost. I kept my word.
Now I am a much wiser Combat Controller. But why offer this narrative? Because it poses a timely question.
I love my country. I love my Service brothers and sisters. I received treatment in training that was physical and psychological torture that makes the current treatment of America's enemy internees look like a Boy Scout training exercise. The sentences our military have been given seems just a tad harsh for their treatment of people who bomb our civilians, torture at will and publicly announce that they will torture, kidnap, and use every brutal act at their disposal to hurt us.
Has our legal system invited terrorists to enjoy protection, under our constitution, that they wish to destroy?
Are we becoming a country of lunatic lawyers who want legal parity with the lowest scum of this world?
Are our troops wise to fear the foreign enemies but ignore the self aggrandizing officers and politicians who are eager to stab them in the back?
Our constitution was written by winners not whiners.
My wish: Remember the Alamo. Remember Pearl Harbor. Remember Normandy and Remember Ruby Ridge and the cruel, un-justified murder of Sarah Weaver for no reason other than the bloodlust of a government sniper. We have increasingly more difficulty identifying the enemy.
I leave you with this. I am literate. I can read the constitution. That alone should cause you to understand my idea of American heritage and American duty. I am now retired but my honor and integrity are NOT. And my will to fight has not retired. Whomsoever violates my home, the constitution, or threatens my wife or anyone under my protection will learn the meaning of words like "shot group" and "field of fire."
Why do you not feel the same responsibility toward our fighting men and women? Why do you excuse the terrorist and attack your own troops? Is it no wonder why so many citizens of foreign countries think we are out of our collective minds?
I am sad for our jailed troops. I think they have been betrayed. You could ameliorate their ruined lives if you could just tell them I'm on their side. Let me become a pen pal for them. Show me a way to help them. They were not born brutal. Brutality was thrust upon them by the nature of their mission. They are victims of the new ways of fighting a war. Confusion is inevitable.
I thank the Air Force for showing me what I would suffer if I was captured by the NVA. That brutal training gave me a thick skin. It made me a survivor.
With reserved respect, for the prosecutors and total respect for all of our service men and women I salute you.
Gary R. Downing USAF, RET, DISABLED
http://www.military.com/earlybrief/0,,,00.html
I wrote this letter to Army times. They printed it. It went to every Times paper at every Military post, world wide. The Pen IS ?.!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Downing
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:41 AM
Subject: Suggested revision to letter to editor
To: Keely Goss
Editorial assistant
Army Times Publishing Company
Air Force/Navy times
6883 Commercial Drive
Springfield, VA 22159
You have my total authority to edit the letter any way you wish. I just want to help. Please e-mail me on your final edit or communicate with me by phone. If I call you it costs me nothing.....850-773-0054
I have just read another report of American soldiers being convicted of "insulting, being mean, harassing, tormenting, whatever" to hostile force prisoners. If it was not for the empathy I feel for my fellow service people I could laugh heartily at the irony involved. I will explain:
Air force Survival School, Near Spokane Washington, 1966: Day one: escapement and evasion training all out doors, without any break, until sunset and fully exhausted. Well after dark, crawl through barbed wire on your belly, unbelievably tired, crawling into waiting captors, strange soldiers speaking a language no one has ever heard. This is your first opportunity for a rifle butt in the mouth. From this point you will seldom walk but you will be dragged frequently. You have a bag tied over your head and you are thrown (Not escorted, _THROWN!) against the back wall of the concrete cell that will be your home. (I am 5'-7" tall and I could not lay horizontally with my feet straight out.) You still have the bag over your head. You are told in broken English that if you manage to get the bag off you would be beaten. Some did and they were beaten. I managed to get the bag off and re-tie it in the exact knot they used but with slack and I could squeeze it over my head and quickly pull it back over my head when a guard came. Guards came and invented a game, new to me, which I always remember naming it "horizontal basket ball." The guards were very big and they picked me up and threw me against the back wall repeatedly. I was a Combat Controller and therefore, thought my butt was bullet proof. The Guards "educated" me. I was dragged out and interrogated. Unacceptable answers earned a clout on my head. Dragged back to the cell and THROWN in. Dead fish parts and rice for food.
The cell had no furniture, no blanket. I slept on the concrete floor. The only object in the cell was a tin can to carry out waste through a tiny door at the bottom of the big door. I could lay with my ear against the tiny door and hear the guards talking outside of the building. I could not tell if it was day or night. (Sensory deprivation is very effective.) Time became meaningless except for the changing of the guard. One day? night? the prisoner in the cell right across from me started screaming wildly and continuously. Guards came and took him away. He never came back.
One day the routine changed. Prisoners were taken out every day and worked. Another day a prisoner, a full Colonel, if my memory serves, began screaming at the guards about how they couldn't treat him this way because he was an officer. They made all the prisoners fall in to formation. Guards stripped the Colonel bare and turned a fire hose on him. He screamed incoherently. They dragged him away. He never returned. I doubt if he was allowed to remain in the Air Force.
I was the only prisoner in my class to escape the prison. I was rewarded with a cup of coffee later and returned into the camp as a prisoner with a (phony) beating and asked for my promise not to tell the other prisoners of my success lest they get a morale boost. I kept my word.
Now I am a much wiser Combat Controller. But why offer this narrative? Because it poses a timely question.
I love my country. I love my Service brothers and sisters. I received treatment in training that was physical and psychological torture that makes the current treatment of America's enemy internees look like a Boy Scout training exercise. The sentences our military have been given seems just a tad harsh for their treatment of people who bomb our civilians, torture at will and publicly announce that they will torture, kidnap, and use every brutal act at their disposal to hurt us.
Has our legal system invited terrorists to enjoy protection, under our constitution, that they wish to destroy?
Are we becoming a country of lunatic lawyers who want legal parity with the lowest scum of this world?
Are our troops wise to fear the foreign enemies but ignore the self aggrandizing officers and politicians who are eager to stab them in the back?
Our constitution was written by winners not whiners.
My wish: Remember the Alamo. Remember Pearl Harbor. Remember Normandy and Remember Ruby Ridge and the cruel, un-justified murder of Sarah Weaver for no reason other than the bloodlust of a government sniper. We have increasingly more difficulty identifying the enemy.
I leave you with this. I am literate. I can read the constitution. That alone should cause you to understand my idea of American heritage and American duty. I am now retired but my honor and integrity are NOT. And my will to fight has not retired. Whomsoever violates my home, the constitution, or threatens my wife or anyone under my protection will learn the meaning of words like "shot group" and "field of fire."
Why do you not feel the same responsibility toward our fighting men and women? Why do you excuse the terrorist and attack your own troops? Is it no wonder why so many citizens of foreign countries think we are out of our collective minds?
I am sad for our jailed troops. I think they have been betrayed. You could ameliorate their ruined lives if you could just tell them I'm on their side. Let me become a pen pal for them. Show me a way to help them. They were not born brutal. Brutality was thrust upon them by the nature of their mission. They are victims of the new ways of fighting a war. Confusion is inevitable.
I thank the Air Force for showing me what I would suffer if I was captured by the NVA. That brutal training gave me a thick skin. It made me a survivor.
With reserved respect, for the prosecutors and total respect for all of our service men and women I salute you.
Gary R. Downing USAF, RET, DISABLED
http://www.military.com/earlybrief/0,,,00.html
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The world needs to understand...WAR IS NOT PRETTY!!,,,,,They(terrorists) started it along time ago,,,,now russian people have been taken hostage,,they got their asses kicked in Afgan war,,,they know the outcome to a society that will fight to the death. Just remember how the Jap army fought in WW2,,,most were on islands where supply of ammo/food/water was taken away by us. How long did they last? Not too long but they fought like hell. If we are not there they will kill themselves off. We need to get our own source of oil(or with Russia). I bet if we told the Arabs we would not buy one drop untill they secure their sh-t after 1 week of the oil building up they would have the area secure REAL fast.The whole problem is congress/senate,,those guys get in there and are there for life and get rich off of this stuff.They should all be removed after 4 yrs no matter how good/bad they are.
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