Prices check on 7.62x54R
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www.wideners.com , $45.00 per 300rds.
WARNING on Bulgy 54R
WARNING ! This is the same ammo I thought was a good deal too . . . until I tried it. I only got to fire 16 rounds - before it literaly blew up my browning. Top cover blew off, rivets on both side plates blew out. My side plates look like a wine barrel they're so bent out. What happened ? Near as I can tell, the brass is so thin that the cases literally blow up in the gun. I should have known better when I was loading belts, because several times the casing collapsed as they were being pushed into a link.
Troy at BarrelXchange warns against this stuff too - use only STEEL cased 54R ammo of good quality . . . . I will never again use cheap ammo in an expensive gun - learned my lesson BIG TIME. At least no one was hurt !
WARNING ! This is the same ammo I thought was a good deal too . . . until I tried it. I only got to fire 16 rounds - before it literaly blew up my browning. Top cover blew off, rivets on both side plates blew out. My side plates look like a wine barrel they're so bent out. What happened ? Near as I can tell, the brass is so thin that the cases literally blow up in the gun. I should have known better when I was loading belts, because several times the casing collapsed as they were being pushed into a link.
Troy at BarrelXchange warns against this stuff too - use only STEEL cased 54R ammo of good quality . . . . I will never again use cheap ammo in an expensive gun - learned my lesson BIG TIME. At least no one was hurt !
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did the same thing to me ,but not as bad, dont use it is a 1919a4, the base comes off
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What was the marking on the brass if you remember? 55/10? Was it 250rd cans or 300rd cans? I have shot this yellow tipped ammo out of a few 300rd cans in my Mosins and havent had a problem yet, I would hate to see what it would do to a rifle if it blew up a 1919 that bad! Do you think maybe you got bullet setback from the 1919 somehow? Thanks for the info.
EDIT: Off topic but what 7.62x54r conversions are you using and are they reliable? Thanks
EDIT#2: Sorry to the original poster....that is a good price if it is shipped or local. If not, Wideners is a better deal. I just got some of that from Wideners and unpacked on and it looks new, no split necks and all the bullets are tight in the cases. Looks like the good stuff I used to get from AIM and have shot alot of.
EDIT: Off topic but what 7.62x54r conversions are you using and are they reliable? Thanks
EDIT#2: Sorry to the original poster....that is a good price if it is shipped or local. If not, Wideners is a better deal. I just got some of that from Wideners and unpacked on and it looks new, no split necks and all the bullets are tight in the cases. Looks like the good stuff I used to get from AIM and have shot alot of.
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mine was out of a 300 rd box, the bolt in a 1919a4 grabs the round different .I can shot it out of my mosin fine
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What is good ammo for x54R? I have a bunch of czech silver tip but have read it causes stuck cases from the lacquer. I need to pick up a pile of ammo and want to know what's the best.
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Hold on to the Czech, it is some of the most desirable due to being supposedly more accurate than most. I have read about it being sticky in some Mosins but Ive never had that problem in the three I have. Ive also read that it being sticky is more of a result of dirty chambers.
Since brass cases seems to bad for 1919s in 54r according to this thread, you might check out the steel cased Hungarian at AIM. I have shot it quite a bit too and it functions fine in my Mosins. I havent read about it having sticky bolt syndrom like the Czech. If you decide you want it instead of the Czech I am sure someone would trade you. I think Czech is probably worth a bit more than Hungarian and Bulgarian these days.
Since brass cases seems to bad for 1919s in 54r according to this thread, you might check out the steel cased Hungarian at AIM. I have shot it quite a bit too and it functions fine in my Mosins. I havent read about it having sticky bolt syndrom like the Czech. If you decide you want it instead of the Czech I am sure someone would trade you. I think Czech is probably worth a bit more than Hungarian and Bulgarian these days.
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I'm looking for some to use in my dp28, that's why I was concerned when I heard about it being sticky. If I convert my vickers and bren to it, I'd want to use it in them too.
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I won't touch Bulgarian ammo, at all. It's from Bulgaria! Not worth the risk.
I have a few thousand rounds of Russian stuff, and it's hot, but works great.
Czech ammo is sure to be of high quality, I should know, as I collect czech militaria. During the cold war the czechs were the only ones in the eastern bloc that made thier own firearms of thier own design. That's too be noted. And I don't just pimp the Czech stuff because I'm part Czech!
I have a few thousand rounds of Russian stuff, and it's hot, but works great.
Czech ammo is sure to be of high quality, I should know, as I collect czech militaria. During the cold war the czechs were the only ones in the eastern bloc that made thier own firearms of thier own design. That's too be noted. And I don't just pimp the Czech stuff because I'm part Czech!
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Joe,
cool to know!!
Gregginohio had traded me all his light stuff cause he needed the heavier for his maxim.
may just have been an issue with his.
thanks sean k
I just bought four boxes of the heavy ball 54R stuff from sportsmansguide.com. Good stuff, all clean, all in sealed cans, and it's only $50 for 300 rounds. Not something I'd want to put through a rifle that I paid more than $200 for, but nice in the old Mosin-Nagant. And in that, it's pretty accurate.
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What's SPG selling these days? Bulgarian stuff?
They used to sell crates of the Russian Ammo back in the day. I picked up 3!
SPG's Bulgarian Stuff:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=407070
SPG's non-corrosive????? Text looks Russian!
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=195727
They used to sell crates of the Russian Ammo back in the day. I picked up 3!
SPG's Bulgarian Stuff:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=407070
SPG's non-corrosive????? Text looks Russian!
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=195727
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Wideners has this a bit cheaper
I think this might be the newly imported 80s Prvi (marked NNY), if so that is a pretty good price.
Have you guys run the Russian 80s steel cased stuff through your 1919s? I just got a few cases from ammunitioncenter in anticipation of the 1919 I am getting. I wish I would have bought more of the Hungarian stuff from AIM last year when it was 10 cents a round.
I can't vouch for all of it, but the stuff I got from them was marked with a star on top, 3 on the left, 10 on the right, and 50 on the bottom. I'm not sure on any of it, but as far as I can tell the 10 stands for country of origin, Bulgaria, the 50 for the year, and maybe the star for Soviet production, and I'm guessing here, maybe plant #3, 3rd quarter of 1950, or something altogether different?
Anyway, upon popping one open, it's full of stick powder. The bullet is a .311" diameter and 1.312" long copper coated steel FMJ boat-tail weighing in at about 182 grains. Out of 10 I measured, 8 came in between 3.017" and 3.014", with one at 3.004" and one at 2.998". Muzzle velocity comes out to about 2500fps out of an Mosin-Nagant M44.
More information than anyone probably needed, but we have company, and I'm trying to look busy right now.
Anyway, upon popping one open, it's full of stick powder. The bullet is a .311" diameter and 1.312" long copper coated steel FMJ boat-tail weighing in at about 182 grains. Out of 10 I measured, 8 came in between 3.017" and 3.014", with one at 3.004" and one at 2.998". Muzzle velocity comes out to about 2500fps out of an Mosin-Nagant M44.
More information than anyone probably needed, but we have company, and I'm trying to look busy right now.
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