Required labeling ?
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NAVY7797, I believe it is personal preference as to what is stamped. I'm sure if you looked at the FAQ on the home page all your questions would be answered. Several companies that manufactured side plates offered both styles last I knew. Get whichever you prefer.
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No requirement. As long as the firearm is for personal use (not for resale) you can mark it with anything or nothing. Just me - I would at least have a number or some unique way of identifying it. If an unmarked gun gets stolen, it's gone and no way to prove it's yours.
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Well,
You are building a firearm out of a set of parts. IE: very little collector value. We do mark every one we build as "semi-auto", a CYA for our end users.
If I was a homebuilder, I would mark the inside of the plate with my info, and use whatever original markings you desired on the outside of the right side plate.
FWIW,
Dan
You are building a firearm out of a set of parts. IE: very little collector value. We do mark every one we build as "semi-auto", a CYA for our end users.
If I was a homebuilder, I would mark the inside of the plate with my info, and use whatever original markings you desired on the outside of the right side plate.
FWIW,
Dan
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my 2 cents
I have several extended family members that are in law enforcement. Some are strongly believe in our personal freedoms and others not so much. One thing that they each have said is that the burdon of proof is on us. If you are out at the range or stopped on a traffic citation and an officer inquires as to your weapon, what are you going to say? What proof do you have that this is an item that is legal to own? To your average officer this looks like a machine gun. Every movie he has ever seen shows him these are machine guns. It is his responsability to make a judement call based on what he knows at the time. Having your weapon clearly marked would help your cause. If un marked who could blame him for confiscating the weapon until it could be prooved it was alright for you to own. He is in his full right to do so and you can have a lot of paperwork and time envolved getting things set straight. who needs that? Mark your gun clearly and have supporting documentation with you at all times.
I have several extended family members that are in law enforcement. Some are strongly believe in our personal freedoms and others not so much. One thing that they each have said is that the burdon of proof is on us. If you are out at the range or stopped on a traffic citation and an officer inquires as to your weapon, what are you going to say? What proof do you have that this is an item that is legal to own? To your average officer this looks like a machine gun. Every movie he has ever seen shows him these are machine guns. It is his responsability to make a judement call based on what he knows at the time. Having your weapon clearly marked would help your cause. If un marked who could blame him for confiscating the weapon until it could be prooved it was alright for you to own. He is in his full right to do so and you can have a lot of paperwork and time envolved getting things set straight. who needs that? Mark your gun clearly and have supporting documentation with you at all times.
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....proof positive....!!!
All in all, the above ideas have merit. However, I have found a better way. I have all the RSP's marked as a 'Machine Gun" either 1919A4 or 1917A1 and the required ser # and insp. initials. Then put my Co. name/address and date of Mfg. on the inside of the RSP,as required for commercial sale. When sold, all my customers are instructed on why it is a semi-auto belt fed,why there is a 'denial island' and how the internals are machined. Then they are given the 'build letter' from 1998 spelling out the BATF requirements, the "no weld letter" from 2005 and a (4) page tutorial on headspaceing. If stopped or questioned by any LEA's,they are able to prove to even the most uneducated cop the reason that it is a legal semi-auto....they have all the paper work and the BATF letters with them....and are instructed on how to present them. A little bit of time and instruction can ward off a lot of trouble later. Not one of my (20+) customers has been hasseled by any cops....and several have had to explain it to officers at the range or while in their cars.
All in all, the above ideas have merit. However, I have found a better way. I have all the RSP's marked as a 'Machine Gun" either 1919A4 or 1917A1 and the required ser # and insp. initials. Then put my Co. name/address and date of Mfg. on the inside of the RSP,as required for commercial sale. When sold, all my customers are instructed on why it is a semi-auto belt fed,why there is a 'denial island' and how the internals are machined. Then they are given the 'build letter' from 1998 spelling out the BATF requirements, the "no weld letter" from 2005 and a (4) page tutorial on headspaceing. If stopped or questioned by any LEA's,they are able to prove to even the most uneducated cop the reason that it is a legal semi-auto....they have all the paper work and the BATF letters with them....and are instructed on how to present them. A little bit of time and instruction can ward off a lot of trouble later. Not one of my (20+) customers has been hasseled by any cops....and several have had to explain it to officers at the range or while in their cars.
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Thats interesting, normally that is what they do on a production gun that the number has been illeagally removed from but since a huge number of cheaper antique guns including my very first .22 rifle were built before serial numbers were mandatory. I suspect if they took one of these legally owned older guns away from you they would have second thoughts as soon as my lawyers arived
As for having your name or whatever engraved on the gun it all comes down to what the officer wants to do. Its like getting stoped by DOT, if your driving a brand new truck home from the factory and the guy wants to write you up for something, HE WILL find a violation someplace! If the cop wants to take your gun away he will not let you open the top cover to show your engraving, he will not look at your papers and if he wants to
take it I doubt having SEMI will make a difference anyway. I remember back in the 80s a guy got a Cobray semi Mac taken away because the policeman had seen one shoot full auto on Miami Vice and he finally gave up on getting it back.
Also, unless you got a paper trail on the gun I doubt you knowing the number stamped in it will get it back if stolen. They busted some meth heads here two years ago who had a shed full of stolen stuff, guns, antiques, jewelry, saddles, coins, even some farm equipment. If you didn't have a legal document saying that old shotgun or highback saddle was your grandfathers it all got loaded up and taken to a consignment sale on the other ene of the state! and Yep, some people did drive over to buy back their guns and stuff
I am not blaming the police for this completely, it just seems like the county-state or whoever has some bad policyies. Hotch1 - 8 of 8 Posts
