1919 A4 Forums banner

The Little Known "CAR-60" by Rock Island Armory

647 Views 11 Replies 7 Participants Last post by  Dave S
Just some information for the M60 guys here on the boards........

After the Vietnam War the M60 remained the primary medium Machine gun in the U.S. Military for decades.... As weapons evolved post-Vietnam, manufacturers were on a mission to improve the M60 and secure the military contracts that would follow.
Around 1983, Rock Island Armory introduced its "CAR-60" ... Which aimed to make the M60 shorter, lighter, and more maneuverable. They created a conversion kit / Upgrade kit which could be installed on any existing M60...These kits consisted of: Short fluted barrel, Forward pistol grip, Bipod that was mounted on the gas tube. The barrels were made from existing standard barrels which were cut down and fluted. The bipod was made by modifying a M14 Bipod. The forward pistol grip used an M16 grip which mounted to an adapter that slid over the gas tube.
These Kits were sold to the general public in fairly small numbers..... In 1984 the RIA CAR-60 appeared to be getting some attention. It was featured on the cover of the April 1984 issue of "Survival Weapons and Tactics Magazine" and included a lengthy write up in that issue.

While the CAR-60 addressed some of the issues with the M60, it fell short of addressing all of the issues..... In 1985, Saco Defense (the current US Mil supplier at the time) introduced the M60e3 Machine gun. The M60e3 would turn out to be a vastly superior option to the CAR-60. It was, and remains to be, the lightest variation of the M60 ever made.. The improvements made with the M60e3 would be:

- Pencil Barrel (both long and short) with carry handle mounted to it (no more mittens to change barrels)

    • Top cover reconfigured so the weapon could be charged with top cover closed
    • improved operating rod with secondary sear catch
    • improved drive rod (thicker) and drive rod spring (single strand as opposed to multi strand)
    • lightweight bipod which mounted to the gas tube
    • heatshield and forward pistol grip, lightweight furniture to decrease overall weight of the weapon


The M60e3 would go through rigorous military trials. The U.S. Navy and Marine Corps would choose to upgrade all of their M60s to the M60e3. The Army and Air Force would reject the M60e3 and continue to use their standard Vietnam Era M60s. Based on speaking with many veterans of the time, the M60e3 was viewed as to "flimsy" and not as rugged as the standard M60. Which may have contributed to the Army and Air Force decision to not upgrade their guns.

With the introduction of the M60e3 and the 1986 ban on newly manufactured machine guns, The RIA CAR-60 would be discontinued. There is still some of the parts out there floating around. But they are very hard to find. When guys do find them, most don't know what they are or the story behind them.

Regardless of the project never securing any contracts, the work that Dave Reese and Rock Island Armory did during the 1980s is commendable. There is a lot of transferable M60s in existence today because of them.

Aaron - Mohnton, Pa
[email protected]



Link below to a transferable CAR-60 Which sold in 2022 for $82,250




The April 1984 Issue of Survival Weapons and Tactics
Book Publication Musical instrument Book cover Engineering



RIA CAR-60 Barrel and forward pistol Grip
Wood Air gun Trigger Gun barrel Tints and shades

Wood Font Gun accessory Metal Gun barrel


RIA CAR-60

Air gun Trigger Gun barrel Shotgun Gun accessory



Sewing machine Wood Door Home appliance Household appliance accessory
See less See more
5
  • Like
Reactions: 5
1 - 12 of 12 Posts
I spent six years in the army and never once saw an M-60 machinegun on any range that functioned properly. Every single M-60 that ever appeared during my time in service was a malfunctioning piece of ****. Probably would have been better off if the military adopted the CAR-60.
@Finalygotabeltfed Lots of M60s in the 80's and 90's were old beat to death Vietnam era guns..... The design had flaws as well of course... Which is why it was replaced.
  • Like
Reactions: 2
@Finalygotabeltfed Lots of M60s in the 80's and 90's were old beat to death Vietnam era guns..... The design had flaws as well of course... Which is why it was replaced.
Very likely the case as my time served was post Viet Nam, 1975-81. Can't imagine being "prepared" for war if those were to be the armament that units were to be deployed with. It would have been predestined failure.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
I never realized how SHORT that thing is! Thanks Aaron
  • Like
Reactions: 1
I was impressesed with the m60e3 in my rifle company.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
Some years back I asked a friend of mine who served with the 1st ID in 68-69 how he felt about the weapons he was issued. He loved the M-79, and carried it with a bunch of buckshot rounds for it. Then I asked about the M-60. He just sort of looked away and said that something like “yea, that gun got….. sticky….. a lot.” I didn’t press any further, as I was pretty sure I had pulled up a bad memory.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
I spent six years in the army and never once saw an M-60 machinegun on any range that functioned properly. Every single M-60 that ever appeared during my time in service was a malfunctioning piece of ****. Probably would have been better off if the military adopted the CAR-60.
When they were a few years old they seemed to do OK. I was an assistant gunner in VN but only humped it a few times as the gunner was usually present. Here is a very poor photo of one of the times I got stuck in the lead position.
Brown Art Tints and shades Vintage clothing Visual arts

. As I remember it the gun was very reliable, as well as very heavy. Pretty sure when we were done the barrel was worthless.

i like the idea of the Car 60.
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 5
@Hillbilly that’s a good picture man. Thanks for sharing it.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
When they were a few years old they seemed to do OK. I was an assistant gunner in VN but only humped it a few times as the gunner was usually present. Here is a very poor photo of one of the times I got stuck in the lead position. View attachment 129923
. As I remember it the gun was very reliable, as well as very heavy. Pretty sure when we were done the barrel was worthless.

i like the idea of the Car 60.
Good Pic!!

They may have performed ok at some point in their existence, but just my experiences,,, of all the ones that I ever saw on a range in my six years of service, not a single one ever ran properly. I don't know if the armorers maintaining them sucked at their job or what, but it really turned me off to that particular MG.
I'd take a 1919A4 over an M-60 any day....even if it was heavier. The reliability would more than make up for the weight.
Yes, the 1919A4 just works like a sewing machine. Simple and sturdy design, but it is a few pounds more than the M60.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
I did my time in the 90's when the M249 was coming into service. My M60E3 was a newer gun (80's) that ran like a sewing machine. If I had to guess, it was new when it was broken in at my unit. I will also say that as an anal retentive kid, it was always put away in good working order.

A lot of people seem to forget that the frame rails stretched out on them and made them problematic at best, especially the older or higher round-count guns. Range queens got SOME attention, but never got put away well-serviced or checked over like they needed to be.

I will also say that the M249Para I was issued was light years better than my Pig. Shorter and easier to maneuver, and eons ahead for jump service!
1 - 12 of 12 Posts
Top