[Roc Rat]

Another e-mail from the wife,,, Sounds good to me! NEVER happen,, but it sounds good.

Urine Testing
Like a lot of folks, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please underst and, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ASS, doing drugs, while I work. . . . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? Pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you don't. Hope you all will pass it along, though . . . Something has to change in this country -- and soon!

 

[tommygunner06]

Roc,,I'm with you. We need to change every congress/senator along with the pres and staff every 1 or 2 terms. Once they are "in" they are like a tick on a deer,,the only difference is a tick will fall off after it gets enough blood from you!

 

[ohioblacksheep]

I'm with you guys, I'd like to see School teachers have to pass a urine test to have a job teaching our young.. I was some what suprized that those who are in almost constant contact with our kids DO NOT have to take a drug test....Lou

 

[Rory]

although i am not a user at all, i really don't see a problem with those who want to smoke pot and really probably a few other drugs in a recreational manner. no different than booze as far as i am concerned.

but on that note if you are going to start drug testing people, pretty much any public office, local, state or federal position... damn near anything that tax money pays for. go for it. drug test those applying for govt aid/funding. and skip that urine test far too easy to beat and really many drugs just don't last long. especially the drugs that those with money and power like to consume (cocaine lasts only a few days). so skip forward to the hair sample test. do it on a mroe regular basis. quarterly maybe?



r

 

[sdk1968]

****, i take probably 8 drug tests a year.... they always seem to "randomly" pull us "clean" workers out for that. LMAO


drug tests are just like any other test... you can cheat on them if you really want to.

 

[COPE]

Yeah, if your gonna make drug testing mandatory then follicle is the way to go. There expensive as hell, but they work. In highschool we had a hair follicle test every 90 days. I'm not sure, but I think that just about the only drug that won't show up in your hair is psilocybin.

 

[Rory]

lsd will not either.

r

 

[COPE]

I remember hearing that as well. Isn't the only way to detect most halluginagens with a sample of spinal fluid?

 

[rugman59]

Frakking OUCH!

I remember hearing that as well. Isn't the only way to detect most halluginagens with a sample of spinal fluid?

Spinal ANYTHING HURTS!!!

 

[47lincsled]

drug test

I never had to take a drug test, and until my body started going south it wouldn't have been a problem, but I don't think grass is any worse then alcohol, alot more people die from booze every year then grass, if some one wasn't making money on it it wouldn't be illegal,or if the government could figure a way to tax it and control it it wouldn't be illegal, but anyhow i agree the people taht need to be watched are the ones in power, I'll bet old ted couldn't pass!

 

[COPE]

I never had to take a drug test, and until my body started going south it wouldn't have been a problem, but I don't think grass is any worse then alcohol, alot more people die from booze every year then grass, if some one wasn't making money on it it wouldn't be illegal,or if the government could figure a way to tax it and control it it wouldn't be illegal, but anyhow i agree the people taht need to be watched are the ones in power, I'll bet old ted couldn't pass!

IMHO, alcohol is way worse than grass. How many belligerent heads have you ever ran into?

 

[franks71vw]

I think they are just as bad i could imagine your heart surgeon stoned on the day of your surgery i could just here it " What I paid for that pot and here is what i was charged on taxes..." They were outlawed for a reason way way back for a reason allowing access to them as if they were candy cause you can tax them is a step in the wrong direction... but again, this nation with the biggest and most powerful army can't even stop the drug trade hmmm I think something is broken somewhere...

 

[KABAR2]

although i am not a user at all, i really don't see a problem with those who want to smoke pot and really probably a few other drugs in a recreational manner. no different than booze as far as i am concerned.
r

Rory, The problem with that attitude is the lesser evil leads to greater evil!
after the fun of pot loses its luster, people have gone on to harder drugs, these can lead to destruction. The Drug trade is controlled by Gangs thats how they make much of their money. Drugs are destructive not only to the user but to those around them. And where do you draw the line? Its ok for Joe to use it because he is just having "fun" but Mary shouldn't use it because she drives a school bus........ We don't need people in our society using drugs. If we complain about what is wrong with our society but are willing to look the other way on this issue, than we should just give up! let the illegals have the country!

I worked at a place that had drug testing, someone I worked with I suspected used drugs, he was tested positive and shown the door. A year and a half later he was back after going through a program & clean, Rory he used the hard stuff, he was in his late 20's this young man when I saw him last looked like he was in his 60's! he lasted about 6 months on the job and went back to using drugs, he was again fired. Drugs are a cancer and should be treated as such! Anyone caught dealing in drugs should get the death penalty. NO IF"S ANDS OR BUTS! NO appeals that drag it out for years! Those who deal are killers and should be treated as such.


Allen <><

 

[Bill S]

Rory, The problem with that attitude is the lesser evil leads to greater evil!
after the fun of pot loses its luster, people have gone on to harder drugs, these can lead to destruction.

That's an old line that gets trotted out all the time - but doesn't hold up against any kind of scrutiny. Does drinking a beer make you turn to the harder stuff and die in the gutter as a burned out wino? For a few individuals that were headed that way anyway, yes. But for most people - not a chance. Same with marijuana. Back in the late '60s I smoked a lot of that stuff. Everyone I knew did. But rather than leading to "the hard suff" - it got boring. Lost interest and one day realized I hadn't smoked in a very long time. For most of the people I knew that smoked grass back then, this is pretty much how they all went as well. I won't say that I didn't know people who went on to harder stuff - but grass didn't lead them there. They were looking for something heavier than grass from the beginning, and got there because grass wasn't what they were looking for, not because grass led them there.

As for the detection of drug use through hair samples - the hair samples are good only for those drugs that are fat-soluble. THC in marijuana is one of these alkaloids. D-Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) isn't. Cocaine is an alkaloid, psylocibin isn't. Mescaline is an alkaloid, so my guess is that it would show up. Morphine and it's relatives are alkaloids also, and would show up.

 

[KABAR2]

That's an old line that gets trotted out all the time - but doesn't hold up against any kind of scrutiny. Does drinking a beer make you turn to the harder stuff and die in the gutter as a burned out wino? For a few individuals that were headed that way anyway, yes. But for most people - not a chance. Same with marijuana. Back in the late '60s I smoked a lot of that stuff. Everyone I knew did. But rather than leading to "the hard suff" - it got boring. Lost interest and one day realized I hadn't smoked in a very long time. For most of the people I knew that smoked grass back then, this is pretty much how they all went as well. I won't say that I didn't know people who went on to harder stuff - but grass didn't lead them there. They were looking for something heavier than grass from the beginning, and got there because grass wasn't what they were looking for, not because grass led them there.

Hold up against scrutiny? well lets see if you drink too much beer you get just as drunk as if you drank too much whiskey, and if you drink either with regularity you are an Alcoholic.

Alcohol effects receptors in the brain differently than many drugs do, Drugs will damage receptors more quickly than alcohol, so that the dammage done by drinking may take years to show significant permanent change in the person. Drugs on the other hand can change the brain chemistry far faster and do more damage in a shorter period of time. Why people have to feel the need to defend stages of behavior that can lead to sickness and death, by saying one or the other is not that bad..... "I tried it and I didn't get hooked" is always the defense, IT's the same old line that gets trotted out by those that do or have used. But you are missing the point! what you did smoking pot is still illegal. Yes some people went on to be upstanding citizens Most of my friends tried pot when they were in high school and are fine, I never tried it. You don't feel it is that bad a thing because you lost interest in the high. But others will move on because they like the feeling, they start experimenting with harder drugs, So when they kill off enough receptors they can't be satisfied. Who knows Elvis may have live more years, John Belushi may have gone on to win an Oscar, Howard Hughes may not have become such a pathetic recluse.......
people who need drugs or alcohol to feel good about themselves their surroundings, have a very dangerous crutch.

So why defend their use?



Allen <><

 

[47lincsled]

Pot

The reason I heard pot was outlawed was because the tabaco industry knew they couldn't control it as easy as tabaco, then the other one I've heard was that dupont controled the hemp market and didn't want the prices to drop, what ever the reason I'd be willing to bet that money was involved some wheres.

 

[glock17_shooter]

In my little experience with LA County Health Services, there is no such thing as recreational drug.

If you don't start, you will not get addicted.

 

[sdk1968]

In my little experience with LA County Health Services, there is no such thing as recreational drug.

If you don't start, you will not get addicted.

for most people this is true....... ive tried damn near every drug out there when i was young and stupid.... im just not the "addicted type"

as for alcohol: like it and use it when ever the mood strikes me. is it a drug?? yes but its not something i have to have....

so are cigarettes(drugs). do we really wanna go there?

still believe that you shoud be responsible for your actions. whther its drinking,smoking, injecting or huffing paint.

if you get f'd up and get in a car wreck or DWI'd or DUI'd, then tough **** for you. been drinking since i was 10. never ever drink and drove, wouldnt do drugs and drive either.

its not really that hard of a decision to make or stick with. you just dont do it to start with.

its once you get away with it that you keep pressing that line till some one winds up dead.

 

[Bill S]

So why defend their use?

I don't really defend their use. I'm moderately tolerant of some of them, highly intolerant of others. I experimented with grass, peyote and a few similar ones in my youth and decided that they weren't my cup of tea. I much prefer thinking clearly, being aware of my surroundings, etc. And the idea of a physically destructive "pleasure high" makes no sense to me at all. So I have chosen for my life not to use them, other than an occasional beer and my evening half glass of red wine. (OK -in the past ten years I've also had maybe half a dozen rum drinks as well.)

But that doesn't mean I agree with illogical or irrational stories about mild drugs inevitably leading people to hard drugs. The average person who drinks a beer or two WILL NOT become an alcoholic. The vast majority of people who smoke marijuana WILL NOT move on to heroin or crack. Ranting and raving that they WILL become alcoholics or drug addicts at the first taste of beer or grass is untrue, and loses your credibility if you try to convince young people to stay clean. They'll sneak a beer, or smoke a joint with a friend, realize the devil didn't pop out of the woodwork and haul them off to hell, and decide you must not have known what you were talking about.

You want to convince people that drugs are bad - be realistic and honest about it. The old "Reefer Madness" approach doesn't work.

For me, the most convincing argument against drugs was living in a bad part of Los Angeles at the peak of the drug years - Venice Beach in the late 60's. I saw good friends destroy themselves in a variety of imaginative ways. A drop-dead gorgeous red headed lady I knew dropped dead of an O.D. Another friend, loaded to the gills on Seconol, leaned forward to answer the telephone, missed, and went out the window to bounce on the sidewalk below. In the middle of a visit to a friend I went to school with, he announced he was getting sick and had to fix. I watched him tie down, cook some smack, and shoot up. As he faded out he told me to watch and learn from it - and don't ever try it because the worst thing in the world that could happen was that I'd like it. A kid I knew in highschool - one of the tough, black-leather-jacket-and-switchblade-in-the-pocket guys, turned up one day along the boardwalk. A brief conversation revealed that he had the mind of a two-year-old - the result of eating a "handfull" of acid someone gave him on his graduation-present tour of Europe. Some other people I knew got shot, stabbed, or in one case had their throat slit over deals gone bad.

There are REAL reasons not to do drugs. Stick to the real reasons, and you might convince someone. Feed them superstitions and lies, and they will go find out the truth for themselves.

 

[FloridaAKM]

Naah, When I had heart surgery, the only wasted person there was me; They put some stuff in my IV that took me out for the rest of that day. I don't remember their names or anything I didn't even get a drug test after it was all over. A better idea, if you don't work. you don't get any money. No more handouts to those who do nothing!

I think they are just as bad i could imagine your heart surgeon stoned on the day of your surgery i could just here it " What I paid for that pot and here is what i was charged on taxes..." They were outlawed for a reason way way back for a reason allowing access to them as if they were candy cause you can tax them is a step in the wrong direction... but again, this nation with the biggest and most powerful army can't even stop the drug trade hmmm I think something is broken somewhere...