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Hello I was invited over here by Allied Armament (James Markley)

Was the 1919 ever water cooled?

If so are the coversion kits avaiable?

What is the cosmetic difference between the 1919 and it's grand-daddy.

Might ultimate agenda is trying to reproduce (as close as possible) the older model. Looking at the 1919 by Allied.

Older style tripods available?
TIA Duke
 
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The original was the Browning 1917 of WWI, which was water cooled, with bronze trunnion and end caps. Most of those guns were eventually converted to something else, primarily the updated 1917A1 water cooled or the air cooled 1919A4.

There are a couple of options for you. First of all, Allied is building a few water cooled guns. Don't know if they are all spoken for. One company, OOW, still has some commercial, Colt produced water cooled kits, known as the 1928. It differs somewhat from U.S. military versions, and these were produced for Argentina in the late 20s and 30s.

There is a gentleman on this forum who is the manufacturer of water jackets in a few variations, going here as ohioblacksheep. He offers correct, mil spec versions as well as lower cost, smaller diameter jackets, both of which are intended to be part of converting your 1919A4 kit into a top quality repro of the 1917A1.

There is also a completely different top cover and rear sight assembly available to complete the authentic look and function. This consists of a combination of original and new made components. That is my contribution to the conversion.

That should get you started on the information you need. :)
 
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This would work.



Is this sorta like what was used in the movie the "WILD BUNCH". I have probably seen to many Westerns and always wanted one of these guns.

I gave the Ohio Black Sheep fellow a jingle a couple minutes ago and left a message.









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For what it's worth, that is the Colt 1928 water jacket (the flash hider design cinches that), with the receiver modified to 1917A1 spec. (The bottom plate is the givaway here.) The gun used in the wild bunch was an original WWII 1917A1, a little out of period but still spectacular!

One note, the bronze on these guns- and on the tripods- was not typically polished bright like that pictured, but some individual owners prefer it shiny.
 
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Lucky#13 said:
For what it's worth, that is the Colt 1928 water jacket (the flash hider design cinches that), with the receiver modified to 1917A1 spec. (The bottom plate is the givaway here.) The gun used in the wild bunch was an original WWII 1917A1, a little out of period but still spectacular!

One note, the bronze on these guns- and on the tripods- was not typically polished bright like that pictured, but some individual owners prefer it shiny.
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Please feel free to list the reproduction parts and price I would need to aquire from you to do a functional 1917 firing replica Lucky. :)

Also PM me with your phone number sir and I will give you a jingle.
 
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DUKE, I have a couple of options. Best way is to purchase the complete top cover and sight assembly for $525 + shipping and insurance. There are a couple of additional options I have, like the correct top latch and a 30-06 feed pawl if needed. Note that my top covers are new in the wrap, and all sight parts are included in that package. However, I do not include the feed lever and pawl assembly, which you can swap in out of your 1919 kit. Same parts, other than the Israeli 308 feed pawl will not fit.

I'll send a PM with my phone number and can give you more details.
 
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Duke,

Well you've come to the right place :D There's enough guys here to take care of you with the info and parts you want.





This is my gun that I built up with my GI Spec. bronze ends 1917 jacket. Lucky's Rear Sight, Halo L&RSP's, and its sitting on a rusty and refurbushed Colt 28 Tripod from OOW..An added note T&S MFG. is also going to be comeing out with Complete L&RSP's...I've seen both the Halo and T&S LSP's and both are Excellent..While OOW is out of the Colt 28 tripods, it doesn't look like they'll be out of the 1917A1 tripods any time soon.. I was up there this week and you wouldn't believe the STACK of those they have :eek:

I've got 4 options on jackets depending on how much you want to spend and how correct you want to get, rangeing from $500 to $1500....Lou
 
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The only thing per my phone conversation with Lucky would be aquisition of the cloth belt and some way of loading them. Seems to be the week link in my tentative build.

Thanks for the heads op on the OOW tripods. Your water Jackets ROCK!
 
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You'll need a 1918 belt loader...it's the fastest, but someone here on the site makes an economical single stage loader. BTW, I want to make a contribution to your project...where do I ship the gallon of water??:p

Photo from the build tutorial on the home page. Advertise on the ad forum to find them.


My '28 Colt/Browning...notice it has slab side plates with no wrap-around bottom plate plus a trigger safety...easiest way to tell it from a 1917A1.
 
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Site supporters and vendors please feel free to jump in and tell me what you have that would work towards my build. :) Prices would help also. :)
Don't be shy either. I would rather you guys get my funds than my wifey frittering them off at Nordstroms. lol
 
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This is just what I am looking for.

Just a note, per perusing the tech section, Is this weapons system pretty persnikity?
Will it need constant adjustment and replacement parts continually?

What color should the tripod be to fit in with the original era?

Should I go with Allied Armament, Ohio Rapid Fire or other. If you don't want to reply here please feel free to PM me with your thoughts and experiences.
TIA,
Duke



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Duke,

Well you've come to the right place :D There's enough guys here to take care of you with the info and parts you want.





This is my gun that I built up with my GI Spec. bronze ends 1917 jacket. Lucky's Rear Sight, Halo L&RSP's, and its sitting on a rusty and refurbushed Colt 28 Tripod from OOW..An added note T&S MFG. is also going to be comeing out with Complete L&RSP's...I've seen both the Halo and T&S LSP's and both are Excellent..While OOW is out of the Colt 28 tripods, it doesn't look like they'll be out of the 1917A1 tripods any time soon.. I was up there this week and you wouldn't believe the STACK of those they have :eek:

I've got 4 options on jackets depending on how much you want to spend and how correct you want to get, rangeing from $500 to $1500....Lou
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