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So who has been voting for McCain? Illegals, retired, liberals who want to screw up primary? I know it's not a lot of conservatives voting for him. Just don't understand how he's gaining so much ground in the primary. I guess he doesn't need the base - very screwed up.

Romney would be my choice but doesn't look like he'll get it.
 

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Well he has been getting more votes than the others. Don't know what will happen if Hucklberry gets out of the race.

I'm in the Constitution party so I won't be voting in the Primary.
We know were McCain stands (sort of anyway) but Romney seems to tell people what they want to hear. In the beginning of the race everyone was saying his record was quite liberal.
I think he's more of a Republican "Slick Willy" than anything else.
Trouble is the choices are truly which one is the lesser of evil.

I'm more concerned that a few radio/TV comentators are personally against McCain that they are turning the Republican primaries so negative it will turn off enough conservative/moderate voters that the Dems will prevail.

My thoughts anyway.

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I agree Jerry, not that i'm a big Romney fan but that he'd be the one i'd choose out of the bunch.

Funny that the media isn't saying that Huck is finished and he'll HAVE to drop out. It's really to their/McCain's advantage that he stay in and split the conservative vote.
 

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McCain v. Romney

Here are some thoughts from John Spangler of fineoldguns.com that mirror my own (and do a better job of explaining them). John lives in Salt Lake City, has first-hand knowledge of the financial fiasco that the 2002 winter Olympics almost became, and is actively involved in the politics of gun rights on the state level in Utah. Don't know if he is a Mormon or not. Don't really care - all my dealings with him over the years have been fair, above-board and at reasonable prices. That's all I need to know about him.


Vote for Mitt Romney-
he sucks the least!

John Spangler's personal thoughts on the Presidential election.
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There are no really good choices for President this cycle. NONE!

However one of them WILL be our next President, appointing judges, writing budgets, opening or closing the border to a flood of illegals (or worse), and leading the fight against global Jihad (or whimpering in dhimmitude surrender to them). And they will defend or infringe on gun rights.

Mitt Romney is a really sharp, intelligent, insightful decision maker who truly understands the big picture and thinks in terms of long term consequences and how to make things happen. We saw him here as he turned the bloated, corrupt and procrastinating 2002 Olympic games into a huge success (with cash left over!). His success and wealth gained from 25 years in the private sector show his ability to make stuff happen in the real world. He even managed to make conservative changes in ultra-liberal Massachusetts! As governor he converting a huge budget deficit to an even larger surplus, with no tax increases. (Albeit with some fee increases). Mitt clearly is not a big supporter of gun rights, but I don’t think he is bent on eroding gun rights, or proposing gun bans. I trust him to appoint “original intent” judges. He has the youthful vigor and stamina that McCain lacks, and the proven experience successfully running (and leading teams in) large business or government enterprises that NONE of the other serious candidates have. Romney can hold his own in debates against the Democrats, and the news media have already trashed him with all they’ve got (starting with an offensive and inaccurate hit job on all Mormons on PBS last fall! [Note- I am not a Mormon and even I was offended!] Mitt is not ideal, but he can do the job best of any of the candidates.

John McCain would be older than any other president, taking office at a time of unprecedented challenges. He is old enough to run, but too old to serve effectively. Worse, he has been wrong on many gun issues, too eager to collaborate with the likes of Kennedy and Reed proposing gun show bans and other schemes. He has voted right on a couple of gun issues (when it was clearly in his best interest to do so). He is totally wrong on open-borders amnesty. He is totally wrong on not supporting Bush’s Judicial nominations (leader of the infamous “gang of 14”) and his choice in judges is likely to be more to his buddy Ted Kennedy’s liking than mine. McCain had no hesitation when gutting the First Amendment protections for free political speech with his execrable McCain Feingold “Campaign Finance Reform” scheme. I fear he may treat the Second Amendment no less carelessly. He would be a good leader for the war against Jihad, albeit saddled with a ferocious temper and huge ego when we need a calculating decision maker able to understand nuances of multiple options. He claims to be a conservative but acts against nearly every conservative principle. Decades of experience leisurely debating his “good friends” in the Senate are not good preparation for overseeing the operations of the massive (and bloated) government bureaucracy. McCain’s Senate service has been part of the problem in Washington, not the solution. On balance, McCain is better than either Democrat, but too wrong on to many issues to deserve my vote. He deserves an honorable retirement to enjoy his trophy (second) wife and recuperate from his horrible captivity while defending our country. Thanks for your service, but you are not the right man for President.

Those who think McCain is the only one who can win against a Democrat are delusional. While the news media are praising him now (as the most liberal Republican) they will turn on him and devastatingly point out every shortcoming as soon as he is the nominee. The quick-witted Obama or ever-ready Clinton lies will cut him to pieces in the debates.

Mike Huckabee is a nice guy, good on guns, but naive on security issues, dangerous on economic issues and clearly fading fast toward political oblivion. His adeptness at telling people what they want to hear reminds me too much of his neighbor from Hope, Arkansas, Slick Willie. He would be a good pastor, not a good President. Look like Huck will drop out anyway. A vote for Huckabee now only helps get McCain the nomination.

Clinton and Obama are hardcore anti-gun zealots determined to take away guns. On all other issues they are clueless idiots. Hillary is a power mad, lying kleptocrat to boot. Obama, is articulate, charismatic and probably would be a lot of fun to party with, but is philosophically wrong on every issue and has ZERO experience running anything larger than crooked ward politics in Chicago. Heaven help us if either of these dolts attempts to run the country.

Fred Thompson was good on guns, and a good solid conservative on most other issues, but is no longer in the race. Too bad. I think he was better than anyone who is left. Rudy was not bad, (for a liberal), and much to be preferred over McCain, but he is out too.

Ron Paul? Great on gun rights and on about 10% of the issues he makes excellent sense. The other 90% of the time he is out to lunch. Regardless of the admirable enthusiasm of his tiny core of supporters he is totally irrelevant and a vote for him is as wasted as writing in Mickey Mouse’s name. (Paulista’s mileage may vary, but my mind is made up, so don’t bother arguing.)


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he sucks the least!
 

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I hate to talk this way, but the lesser of two evils is we need the canidate that can beat Hillery. I think McCain has the best chance, not that I like him much but I think even the Conservitives will vote for him in the general election to keep hillery out, and I think he can pull some of the conservitive Dems. The elections have gotton so close now days that a few thousand vote swing is some states can make all the differance. I think some Dems would vote McCain over hilleryor at least not come out to vaote at all, which would also be good. If he gets in he will be pretty much white bread and not much will be done, which compared to the alternative is a win for us in my book.
 

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lesser evil?????

It seems like each election is getting worse, McCain scares me because he wants to open the borders,at least the southern border, but he supports our soldiers, not sure if he's making money off the war or just the fact that he's been there and knows what they are going through, Romney sounds good but he has done quite a bit of flip flopping plus he's an east coast lib, either is preferable to what the opposition has to offer, I would have supported Huck but since it doesn't look like he's going all the way I just don't know. Is there some place that list the voting record of each of the canadates, that would be a helpful reference, something non partisen that list all the votes of all the canidates?
 

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...we need the canidate that can beat Hillery.
I'm beginning to think that Hillary's own party will beat her, and the election will be between Obama and McCain. All the democrat heavyweights are starting to back Obama - probably because they realize that Hillary carries too much baggage - too many people, especially among the independents where the votes are important, can't stand Hillary. The funny thing is - Obama is more of a "Slick Willie" than Hillary is.
 

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Bill, you may be right and that may be good for us.I don't think Obama can win the General election so if he gets nominated all the better I think, stranger things have happened but when the chips are down I just don't think he can win the presidential race at least this time.
 

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Yup. A year ago I would have put my money on the probability that we would have a democrat as president in the next election. Seemed like the current administration had screwed up the chances for the republicans. But I'm now thinking that McCain will be the next president. As mentioned above, Obama might not be able to beat him, and I really don't think Hillary can. The solid democrats will vote for whoever the dems run, and the solid republicans can be counted on to vote for their party's candidate. And those two blocks are relatively evenly matched numberwise. So the election will be decided by the independents and the "cross-overs". This middle group could find McCain attractive. They won't go for Hillary. And I suspect they'll also reject Obama.

Once upon a time I supported McCain, but he went down in the primaries. Unfortunately, he's flip-flopped so badly since then that I no longer like him - but my bet's on him for the presidency this time.
 

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Well, my vote went for Ron Paul this morning. If he drops out, I'd have to see a HELL of a lot more out of ANYONE else running to consider it worth the bother. Between McCain and Clinton? What difference is there, honestly? :rolleyes: McCain is like Guliani; he's a great Democratic candidate who is confused by what party he belongs in. Hillary Clinton? Chairman Mao with a rather botched sex change. Romney? I don't see him being interested in supporting my rights; why should I support his campaign? He really needs to come to the table with the 2ndA folks if he wants our support, and playing the "party loyalty/fear factor" card isn't going to cut it this time. Step up, or step off. Huckabee? He talks the talk, but does he walk the walk? I like what he says better than the rest, but I do wonder how sincere he is. Obama? He has that RAV-rund slickness to his speeches, but his political views are going to go over like a turd on a church pew to most of the country outside of the inner cities and the liberal states. If America believs it "needs" the first Black President, God willing it would be Alan Keyes.

All things considered, I trust Ron Paul. I may not agree with everything he believes, but on the things that matter most, I think he is the best candidate. That said, it does not appear that enough people who voted agree, so my first reaction is that I better start loading up on what I think I may want, because before too long, it may be banned yet again. :mad:
 

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you know if ron paul had not been so interested in repealing roe v wade, i think that he would have had a far better chance. kind of an important topic to many left leaning independents. other than that i was all for the guy.

mccain is a joke, hill and obama both scare the crap out of me. him less than her but only because we know or can forsee what will come from her. obama is a surprise waiting to happen. who know he could even turn out to be decent and productive... but i doubt it. this might be an election that i abstain from. that is a terrible feeling.

but really i did one of the recent answer a bunch of questions and see who you should vote for things



i am screwed. nothing even close to me. paul, clinton and obama are equidistant from me in the center but i mean damn, they are all pretty far away from me.

decent question set on this one.
http://www.electoralcompass.com/

i have gone through a few others that were clearly biased toward one party or the other.

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All things considered, I trust Ron Paul. I may not agree with everything he believes, but on the things that matter most, I think he is the best candidate. That said, it does not appear that enough people who voted agree, so my first reaction is that I better start loading up on what I think I may want, because before too long, it may be banned yet again. :mad:
I agree completely! I voted for Ron Paul today because he is the only one that I trust. I don't think that he has ever uttered a word that he didn't truly believe.

As for the original question, why in the hell would anyone vote for McCain in the primaries. I think we all pretty much agree that his views are way to the left of our own. He is in bed with the Brady Bill Bunch, he wants our borders to be overrun by criminal aliens, he didn't support the Bush tax cuts, and he didn't support the nomination of conservative SC justices. He's not a conservative, and that's the bottom line.

As for Huckabee, I think his true agenda was shown in the West Virginia caucus today, when after the first round John McCain told his supporters to support Huckabee. Huck is hell bent to be McCain's VP. I don't think he can be trusted at all. He's nothing more than McCain's puppet. He's there so that the religious right will feel all warm and fuzzy about voting for a Johnabee ticket in November.

Will I vote for a McCain/Huckabee ticket in November? My answer right now is Hell No!!! But when I'm sitting at that table, looking at that ballot, and my choices are McCain vs Obama or Hillary, I will once again choose the lesser of two evils. Only this time, is the choice really one that is the lesser of two? Aren't they the same?
 

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Politicians are professional Liars.
Tell the people what they want to hear and it shuts them up,

McCain wants to open borders, hes not exactly gun friendly but he is still a Repub. and he stands as good of or better than a chance of beating Hill Billary Clinton or Mr. I had a dream OH'bama. I am hopefull that the senario works out to the republican side...in that Obama gets to push Hill Billary off for elections and he does or says something stupid and loses his supporters which would make it a wash for McCain. If you havent noticed the 2 biggest Biggots/assholes in America, Al isnotsoSharp 'ton and Jesse Jackson aren't in on the party, B.O. :D he didn't use affirmative action nor did Obama need their help to get to where he is now as a senator he did it on his own, think they really want to support him, he doesn't owe them any favors and isn't an example of what to be. Those 2 biggots are backing Hill Billary Clinton.

Once that *** Ted Kennedy started backing Obama most people forgot about Hill Billary Clinton. Today while we were at the polls there were some Dems asking for Rep. voting ballots GEEEEEEEEEE I wonder which way they are swinging this year :rolleyes: at least some peeps have seen the light.

There is no way McCain he would shoot himself in the foot during the first term of Presidency by passing an Amnesty....seriously think about it, if he passed it during the first term, that would be enough incentive to not re-elect him for a 2nd term which is btw the term where every president has the ability to phuq over the American people and not have to worry about being re-elected or anything short of impeachment or being called every name in the book.

When it comes down to it, I'd rather have McCain than I would either of those Commiecrats, but I'd much rather have Romney than I would McCain.
I hope Romney can beat McCain I'd hate to think that John would keel over dead some time soon he doesn't look like he is in the best of health and I'd hate to be stuck with the V. President unless it was Romney then I would sleep fine at night.
 

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I plan on voting, that gives the right to ***** when something goes awry, if you don't vote don't complain.
 

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If McCain does get the Republican nod, it will be the first Presidential election, in the nearly 30 years I have been eligible to vote, that I will consider not voting. I am not convinced that McCain will do less damage to this country than Hillary. And I think that there will be more effort to prevent her from getting her way than there will be for McCain, even if it were over the same legislation. Repubs will fight a Democrat while they'll roll over for a President from their own Party.
 

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The last I heard a couple of hours ago Huckabee is still hanging in. He might at least make VP.

I will not vote for McCain as he lied directly to me about ten years ago and he even lies about being a Republican.

Last week I voted for Huckabee and I will not vote for either McCain or Romney. If Huckabee doesn't come through this will be the first time in forty years I haven't voted for a president. There is no use voting for a Republican who is just as bad as the competition.

I don't think it matters if Huckabee doesn't know a lot about foreign affairs etc. That is why presidents have advisors. At the lease I think he is honest and very pro gun.
 

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somebody show me the lesser of two evils please, for some reason i cant find it :( were phucked no matter how you look at it, the only ones worth voting for have been or will be shunned out of the race.

Is it just me, but if America is ready for a black president, why not have collin powell take a shot at running? he seemed like a serious cat that could do some good. I dont have a problem with a woman or any US born citizen running for prez = but WHY THESE ONES?!?!!? I MEAN C'MON! somebody just put me out of my misery. with the way bush F'ed up lately getting a repub in the white house is gonna be near impossible, unless its a democrat in republicans clothing like mccain or guiliani - people will vote for hilldabeast because she is billy boys main squeeze and the fact she is not a repub. I have actually had someone in my family tell me hilldog was a good choice becuase ol' billy boy would be there to advise her :rolleyes: but it seems i cant have a political debate involving hillary without long streams of obscenities flowing from my mouth like a mg42 with a full belt.

my urge to vote died when fred thompson dropped out, at least when he spoke i didnt feel like i was gonna get ass raped soon after.

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