[Rory]

so i bought an mg42 receiver from wiselite arms i received it yesterday and see a few issues. wiselite says that all of them are like this and that it is a non issue

2 cracks or breakthroughs from the mill.

what do you all think?

rory

 

[blackrifles]

Easily fixed by a 'smith or welder, you paid how much ($800) for that?

 

[franks71vw]

Rory dont worry about same here and I talked to pirate and showed it to him start building your good... that happens but of the clearance cuts... it sucks and you get scared at first as was I.

 

[Rory]

Easily fixed by a 'smith or welder, you paid how much ($800) for that?

shouldn't have to easily be fixed by smith or welder at $895!

 

[blake's guns]

For $895, I would have an issue with that. That looks like pretty sloppy machining to me.

 

[Rory]

the owner (tony) did not seem to find an issue with it. and really said that they were all like this. even the original 42 receivers.

the 2 originals that i have eyed this did not seem to be an issue but then again i was not looking for a crack in this particular fold, i was drooling and then shooting said mg42s

 

[waffendude]

---over on the mg42.us board --this issue has came up --and most were just rewelding them (the crack around the charging handle slot) i think there was talk about some f/a 42's doing the same thing---and they were rewelded also-- for what its worth---i think wla should make it right --let them do the rewelds
just my .02
waffen

 

[MSG]

$850.00 for a rear Housing? Damn...

MSG

 

[Pirate]

The area that is broken through in the center is not a problem, the receiver won't break there, the other area will be cut away for clearance for the retracting handle so it is not an issue. welding up the hole will only lead to problems, I don't recommend doing it. read my build tutorial.

http://projectguns.com/wlr1.html

the wise Lite receiver is well made and the best available of all the options. the bends are well formed in the area of the retracting handle with plenty of meat to prevent cracking like the ones from brp do.

 

[fal_specialist]

Looks pretty dang thin to me!!
If its so thin now due to the machining on the bend area that there are break throughs, what's it going to be like after 500+ rnds??
I don't think it will hold up.

I've had about 12 real MG42 demil receivers pass through my hands and havn't seen any signs of cracking in this area even on the open/ cut out edges.

I think the only fix is a full length weld along this area, smooth the weld down then bevel or round the edge of the charging handle slide down to fit.

Just my .02
Larry

 

[Cpt_Kirks]

Looks pretty dang thin to me!!
If its so thin now due to the machining on the bend area that there are break throughs, what's it going to be like after 500+ rnds??
I don't think it will hold up.

I've had about 12 real MG42 demil receivers pass through my hands and havn't seen any signs of cracking in this area even on the open/ cut out edges.

I think the only fix is a full length weld along this area, smooth the weld down then bevel or round the edge of the charging handle slide down to fit.

Just my .02
Larry

I have sold quite a few too. Never seen anything like that.

I wonder if the Century guns will have that issue?

I was pondering getting one, maybe, but if that is an example of the quality, I do not see spending $2500 for that.

 

[blackrifles]

I apologize for being brutally honest here, I don't see paying $895 for a receiver that has cosmetic (or structural?) defect either. I see it the same way as the Century receivers and their history, (be it the NOW $300-$400 FAL or HK) that as long as people will buy it, they don't care what flies out the door with QC. I'll tell you flat out, if I sent a seat frame like that to the BIG 3, I'd be out of a job.

Rory, I feel your pain, the only way I would feel comfortable would be if it was fixed, and if they can't replace/fix it, it might be worth about half the price of what they want for it. YMMV.

 

[Pirate]

if you look at the photo you will see the area in question is not as deep as the rest of the fold, that is why it breaks through. there is plenty of metal in the rest of the sides. trying to weld it serves no real purpose. running a full length bead of weld in the channel will only distort the receiver.

 

[ww2willysjeep]

Guys, I would think pirate would know what he is talking about. He IS the one with a step by step build tutorial on one these, and he seems to know his sh!t. If he says its fine, I would like to think its fine.....






Because I have one too!

 

[sdk1968]

LMFAO...


NAH!!!

Rory,

i told ya it was alright!! see, you should have trusted your little ******* buddy on this one.

every one ive seen of these is this way at some point thru that channel.

 

[fal_specialist]

Yeah, upon the pic and further pondering, I think the depressed areas would still be solid enough to support the corner bend.

Worst case scenario would be the machined corner cracking on every other external flat area.

Any welding of cracks would need to be low temp, localized, allowing time to cool.
Certainly not suggesting to run a full length bead, nonstop, end to end.

I too am sorry to hear that there is a problem w/ these receivers.
Yes, these seem to be the best available and I was hoping they would be right on the money correct w/no issues.

Not picking on WLA's. Being a hobby fabricator, bending, welding and machining a item and having it come out just right sometimes seems a nightmare. You shoot for 100% and if you get 96, that may just be the way it is.

Larry

 

[Rory]

the issue is more that when spending damn near a thusand dolars (after ffl fes and shipping) you hope or expect it to be one thing. when you get less than this there is disappointment. and sdk I believed you but wanted other opinions after I got off the phone with wla

 

[panaceabeachbum]

given time and enough use that crack will grow , starting with a crack and expecting it wont grow with heavy use is just silly, Youre starting with a fault line

I have an original 42 thats heavily used and over 60 years old with no cracks and one brp with 7k+ rds and no crack , the other brp has over 4k rds with no crack either . I have seen a BRP rec that were cracked but not right there

 

[blackrifles]

Pirate,

I'm not doubting your expert opinion, I would like to see one of those receivers after 3-4K rounds, I'm just curious about a long-term stress test, would be fun in a F/A build! Again, I understand this is not a crack in the metal, but a void from machining.


A lil' FYI on cracked sheetmetal or thin plate:

The vehicle seat frames I build is no different than a firearm receiver, machined, stamped, and welded. Someone's safety is on the line, when we find a component with a void/crack it is sent to QC, undergoes further inspection and teardown. I have seen components (tubing and stamped plate) that had a small visible crack, but under the 'scope (or dye test) that crack extended 1/2" to 1" more than the human eye can detect, pressure/torsion/heat sure made it visible.

 

[sdk1968]

Rory,

im just funning with ya... you know that.

and you can look at my crack when your at heckinohios for the shoot.


LMAO: Rory wants to look at my crack!!