[HC in KC]

I looking for a 80% RSP... is anybody still making them or is the entire community intimidated by Halo's current issue with the ATF.

 

[franks71vw]

not sure but when i get my blueprints i want to fire up my cnc and spit one out lol and see how it comes out. Will give it to pirate and get the bugs out of them Man I love building would suck the day you can't but I still have my machine lol
lol

 

[tomt]

not even 80 %

your not gonna find any. the word is out. i've got profiled blanks for $50.00 4140 steel stressrelieved. no slot no islands, no nothing. or i've got 100 % that go to FFL. $150.00 hope that helps. tomt

 

[Lucky#13]

While there is not anything specific in writing so far, the way ATF seems to want to interpret a Title I 1919 plate is if the link ejection port, the cocking handle slot and the outer profile of the plate are complete. That makes an old fashioned 80% plate nearly impossible. Are there some out there? Perhaps. There are small suppliers who may still produce them and not get any unwanted attention. But a major player like tomt, Halo and T&S are probably under too much scrutiny to take that chance. Like it or not- and I don't- life is changing in the Browning side plate world. At least until a case is actually tried and it is proven before a jury as to whether or not an "80%" plate is a "gun". But I don't know anyone who wants to spend six figures in legal fees to be the guinea pig! That's a prospect that ATF can hang over a mfg's head for years to come before actually indicting, once they have served a warrant.

 

[mikey250r]

I must have got mine just in time! It came in September from ORF. They still have them on the Web Site. It took about 5 months from the time I orderd and when I got it.
I'd try them, but if it's over it's over!!!!

 

[L999here]

....if I could....?

Well......if I did not have a class #7 mfg. license and wanted to build a 1919, I would buy a 100% RSP and be done with it. However....without a mill/lathe or some such equipment, I would get an '80%' plate from somewhere, number it,mark it with the appropriate info and put it together. There are certain ways to do things and remember....unless you specifically intend to violate current existing laws or make stupid mistakes....you most likely will not be taken before a grand jury,indicted or even arrested. You might have the gun confiscated.....but the chances are slim of anything else being done. Good luck to 'HALO'.....now where am I wrong here,guys...? I'm sure there will be a few who disagree......

 

[Lucky#13]

I don't think you are wrong here, Len. The risk right now is probably pretty slim. I know there are some unfinished plates being made, in small numbers at least, and that is not likely to get the attention of ATF. If ORF still feels comfortable selling their 80% plates, that's fine. What I do know is that ATF had printed out the threads from this board on which Halo was promoting his plates. They presented those to him with the warrant they served. Halo got their attention for that and because his company came up in a previously unrelated investigation. Nothing has come of any of that.... yet. Who knows if they will make a case against him over the next few years. Maybe they just want to change things going forward and not make trouble about past sales. But I do know that recent attempts to get an approval, on the common spec "80%" plates, has resulted in the Tech Branch determination of such plates being Title I firearms. That's a grave risk to anyone manufacturing and selling such. I don't like it. I am merely passing the info on. I talked at SAR in Vegas with the Assistant Chief of the Tech Branch and his comment was that one should only purchase an "unfinished receiver" that had an approval as such. If anyone can point to one, I'd like to know about it. So far as I know, no such thing exists in the 1919 world. Still, I don't think the buyer is at great risk. The mfg is the one who may have legal exposure.

 

[FloridaAKM]

It seems like law abiding people who find a hobby that has to do with firearms rebuilding are going to have an uphill battle more and more as time goes on.

 

[TbcSEOD]

http://rapidfire.targetweb.net/cgi-...358025.5774*Bt3qp1&p_id=01922&xm=on&ppinc=big

 

[ontos106]

The goverment doesn't like us to make weapons they can not track
and by the sound of it there are a lot of them out there now

 

[alamosaddles]

I don't like it, but I do understand why ATF claims a plate is a gun. Without drilling any of the rivet holes, you can probably take a standard 80% plate, slip it in, put the top cover bolt through, clamp the rest of the plate in place, and probably fire at least one shot. The thing may blow apart on you with that one shot, but in the eyes of ATF, it fired so it's a gun. Pretty freaking ridiculous but that's how they will approach it.

I think 80% can be sold by leaving the plate a little bit more in "unfinished" state. For example, I'd say perhaps, machine the cocking slot but not all the way through, so that the builder will have to finish cutting the slot through to the other side. If it was sold like that, ATF could not just slap it on a 1919and let off a shot, it would require "machine work" of some sort to finish the plate to usable status.

 

[glockhead]

i cannot believe ORF

is selling 80% plates. My guess would be that they have not updated their website in a while

 

[c473]

I just called them today, they still sell them.

 

[Bolt2bounce]

I got a plate from cold steel solutions it was a very crude job.... but I'd say it was not really 80% finished, more like a 50% plate. The inside island was cut and the cocking slot was cut in it...and that's it.. no holes were drilled, no other slots or machine work was done on it.... I was hoping to get a real 80% receiver to build a 30-06 gun but I guess I'm too late...S.O.L..... B2B

 

[FloridaAKM]

I found several 80% plates at a funshow today. Plain with no engraving $175.00; engraved w/SG markings $250.00 They are still out there.