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To have a big bore for display, it has to be "demilled to ATF specs".

Common knowledge is that a bolt needs to be welded in the barrel, and there needs to be a hole cut in the chamber.

Does anyone know where these specs are? I need a hard copy of them.
I'm looking for specifics on bolt location and size, and also the location and size needed for the cut hole.
 

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What kind of big bore?

I can only state examples I've seen at many military displays, must've passed ATF inspection, 'cause they were there. ;)

Cannon or mortar, breech ring cut/missing and FP removed, sometimes chamber welded closed, rod welded in bore, or undersized bore with the new barrel or tube. Most of the time the FCG on AA cannons were welded.

In the case of rocket launcher or bazooka, BORE-sized hole in tube, FCG welded to prevent function, a steel rod welded in the bore to prevent insertion of rocket.

Hope this helps.
 

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M40A2, the 106MM Recoilless Rifle. :cool:
 

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There must be a bore sized hole cut in the pressure chamber, and a rod welded into the bore obstructing it. you could weld a 50 caliber barrel in it so it becomes a rifle in states that don't ban 50's
 

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Some people recommend using a (military type) sub caliber device.

Which means I'd have to remove the bolt that's welded into it, which according to my understanding is removing the pieces, to ATF specs, that keep this a demilled display dummy.
 

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Don’t you just love these gray areas, good luck getting a straight answer out of an agent if you have to contact THEM.

Here is a stupid question, have you tried a weapons curator at your closest firearms museum, or rather museum with a substantial firearms collection?
 

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Near northern Cali? Pfffttt! Hahahahahah :rolleyes:


I talked to another guy this month that built up a working 106MM Recoiless (or was it a 105? I can't hear that well) And he contacted the ATF for the D.D. paperwork... and they told him it's a rifle, not a D.D. :eek:
 

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It would be just a std title one firearm (like a rifle is)as long as either the the bbl or the rec (breach ring and breach ) were demilled. Its only at the point that both are considered servicable that you have a DD.

As far as building it as a 50 or smaller you shouldnt have any problem as long as you weld the insert perm in place before making the firing mechanism live . As long as the bore size hole exist in the chamber there is no problem in removing the blocking bars in the bbl , its still not a bbl just a piece of scrap as long as the large hole is in the chamber.

The only import docs I have seen ,on a 75 mm, didnt require any blocking bars in the bbl , just the hole in the chamber and the threads be removed form the breach ring so the breach couldnt lock in place. I havent seen any specs ,other than recently, that cover the exact methods of demill, I think its always been on a case by case basis , usualy a detailed explanation along with diagrams is returned with the form 6 , and varies wildley depending on when and who issued it.

If had a demilled recoiless I would file a form one . pay the $200 and register as a DD again , would be a good move finacialy if at some point in the future they wont allow such to be registered. Would also make it easier to build with a subcal insert since you wouldnt have to perm weld it in place and you could weld up any nasty holes and at least make it cosmeticly apealing .

What ever route you go keep in mind when welding and repairing that you (or your heirs) may want to sell it someday so dont do anything foolish that would make the demill any worse or reduce its value .
Just my .02
 

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The problem with having my demilled 106 as a D.D. is that California laws would apply... And I could get in majorly serious trouble for next to nothing.

I need to get out of this state! :mad:
 

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That's only a 3/4 ton trailer. I gar-on-tee it's a huge trailer, it's just dwarfed by the 5 ton there.

I did recently buy a 7.5 Ton trailer, but I don't have any photos of it yet.
 

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I know how to build a 106mm that is a funcationing non destructive device
I can put a sub cal device in and out of the reaction chamber and use the breech block firing mechanisum :cool:
the design was approved by ATFs (Ed Owens)
Hole in barrel (high pressure area)
cross angle iron in barrel (so a live round of 106mm ammo can not be put in)
weld reaction chamber to barrel :D it took 8 years of writing to ATF to get it that way but we did it:eek:
put the hole between T&E block on barrel and reaction chamber treaded ring
their about 4in apart
Oh by the way I have made 3 of them this way
shoot 30.06, 50 cal, 308 and you get a little back blast too out of the sub cals
 

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Okay, Mister 106, you're awesome.

Looks like we need to do some more talkin'. :D
 
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