[ajmdreammg42]

Looking for info on what would be the Correct T&E for the early azimuth type M2 tripod, I have about 4 variations of T&E's but do not know what would be correct for early tripod . I know the pintle would be the one with the 0 and hatch mark but what about the T&E ?

Thanks

 

[L999here]

...early model

Just from experience with repairing and restoring some early T&E's,found most early ones had brass knurled pieces. Later...and for WW2...the brass was replaced with the parked steel pieces. Not sure when or what characteristics were prevalent on the first models. I would look at Dolf's series on the .30 cal Browning's. Will check out my books later,as they are at home and I'm at the shop.

 

[ajmdreammg42]

I found what I needed in Dolfs book volume 3 page 69, Thanks Len. I was at work and did not think of Dolfs books

 

[redroth]

I found what I needed in Dolfs book volume 3 page 69, Thanks Len. I was at work and did not think of Dolfs books

They look like this:

A later but still early war style example with aluminum composite wheel:

 

[ajmdreammg42]

They look like this:

View attachment 84343

Thanks redroth, i got a guy looking for some for me and i sent him that picture. In dolfs book 3 page 69 it shows 1 with a movable clamp block and another with a movable clamp that can be canted, has anybody ever seen or even have these types?

 

[redroth]

Thanks redroth, i got a guy looking for some for me and i sent him that picture. In dolfs book 3 page 69 it shows 1 with a movable clamp block and another with a movable clamp that can be canted, has anybody ever seen or even have these types?

I think John in the Netherlands may have one like you describe above as he has quite a collection of T&E's.

 

[kkkriverrats]

The earliest (June 1934) T&E would have the aluminum elevating hand wheel. The steel fabricated ones appeared in July 1942 and April 1943. All in all
there are 4 different hand wheels this assumes that the wheels haven't been replaced.

 

[L999here]

They look like this:

View attachment 84343

Had 2-T&E's like the one on the right with the brass knurled piece. From repairing several early types,I can attest that all the parts were inter-changable.

 

[ajmdreammg42]

They look like this:

View attachment 84343

A later but still early war style example with aluminum composite wheel:

View attachment 84347

I have a bunch of the later early war t&e's i think i remember toolman said they used the lightening hole punch outs from aircraft structures to make them. Always think of that when i see one. I could have a part of a b17 in my tripod , cool !

 

[amish-bob]

I had always thought that the early T&E's were the ones with scallops around the elev. hand wheel. So when would that type have been made and used?

 

[kkkriverrats]

This is the earliest hand wheel the aluminum was likely dropped as it became a critical material.

This is a .pdf file so you will have to click on it and download. Everything after this was steel


View attachment B108211 rev 3.pdf

 

[ajmdreammg42]

Here are some examples of the ww2 ones i believe

One like amish-bob was talking about

 

[ajmdreammg42]

And here are either ww2 or post war

The wheels all have different types of serrations or checkering. Looks like I need the early wheel aluminum wheel type to have one of every type. Unless someone comes up with another type here. Anybody have any other types ? Would like to have ref pics of every type

 

[kkkriverrats]

Like I previously posted there are 4 kinds of the hand wheels all of the steel ones are after 1942

 

[ajmdreammg42]

Like I previously posted there are 4 kinds of the hand wheels all of the steel ones are after 1942

Thanks for the drawing. looks like there are 3 variations of early pre 1942 made of aluminum, the one in your drawing, the scalloped one then the rough serration type.

Then atleast 4 variations of post 1942 or post war type, fine and course checkering then straight serrations with a smooth border and serrations that go to the edge.

or am I over annilizing the different variations with just different mfg's ?

Thanks for your help !

 

[kkkriverrats]

Thanks for the drawing. looks like there are 3 variations of early pre 1942 made of aluminum, the one in your drawing, the scalloped one then the rough serration type.

Then atleast 4 variations of post 1942 or post war type, fine and course checkering then straight serrations with a smooth border and serrations that go to the edge.

or am I over annilizing the different variations with just different mfg's ?

Thanks for your help !

The drawing I posted is REV 3 there well may be different designs of the Aluminum ones, from my experience, for what its worth, variations in design/appearance/method of fabrication are a WWII thing, always trying to save time/material/tooling etc.. Pre-war things tended to be more uniform the peace time Army was very much into not rocking the boat

 

[allenlakecity1]

I have a bunch of the later early war t&e's i think i remember toolman said they used the lightening hole punch outs from aircraft structures to make them. Always think of that when i see one. I could have a part of a b17 in my tripod , cool !

I heard this exact same thing from a guy who knows a lot about these things. If you look close at the hand wheel there are several disks that are riveted together.I have one with the brass knobs


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[David]

I don’t have any of his books, but are you referencing this type?

https://www.bmgparts.com/products/EarlyLongTailTandE.jpg

Thanks redroth, i got a guy looking for some for me and i sent him that picture. In dolfs book 3 page 69 it shows 1 with a movable clamp block and another with a movable clamp that can be canted, has anybody ever seen or even have these types?

 

[toolmanm203]

Yes that would be the one

 

[David]

A lot of the early long tail cradle photos show it. I think they’re different sizes where the hook mounts to the traverse bar. None of my other 4 T&Es work on either long tail cradles I have. I bought one from John, hoping he has another. If not I’ll have a spare T&E machined to fit.