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We are selling our WWII German 30mm Beltfed Mk108 automatic cannon. This cannon is transferable and was dewated by cutting the barrel chamber with a torch. The barrel is not repairable, but I have a good barrel included in the price. I am also including a German tech manual on the gun for $12k delivered.

The MK 108 is a blow-back operated, rear-seared, belt fed 30mm automatic cannon using electric ignition and is charged and triggered by compressed air. It has a very short barrel, which gives the MK 108 a low muzzle velocity of 500-540 meters (1640-1770 feet) per second. The maximum rate of fire is 650 rounds per minute.

An interesting feature is that neither the barrel or receiver move in recoil, the entire force of firing is absorbed by the rearward movement of the bolt against the driving springs, which bufferes against the recoil. No locking mechanism is needed, because by the time the fired round had overcome the inertia of the firing bolt, the round had left the barrel and the pressure has dropped.

There were two main types of ammunition for the MK 108 to use, a 30mm high-explosive self-destroying tracer ("M-Shell" or "Mine-Shell") and a 30mm incendiary shell. The first type was designed to cause a maximum blast effect by combining a very thin shell casing with the maximum load of explosive. Tests carried out at Rechlin (where most of the Luftwaffe aircraft and weapons tests were done) showed that with a "M-Shell" with 85 grains of explosive, five hits could destroy a B-17 or B-24 bomber. The second type of shell, the incendiary, was meant to be targeted at the fuel tanks of the enemy plane. Since some penetrating force was still needed to overcome the armor or airframe of the target, and not have the shell break up or explode upon contact, a hydrodynamic fuse was fitted so that the shell only exploded once it came into contact with liquid.

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ok so forgive me if the question sounds dumb but the whole dewat issue confuses me a bit.

dewat = deactivated wartime trophy. these used to be ok and you could fill the barrels and such right? but not any more?

now was this registered at some point and made operational? just kind of confused about the transferable part. so with the new barrel does it work? are their non dd rounds available for this, can you reload your own?


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No more Dewats can be registered.

Transferable Dewat means it is deactivated but registered and from what I read in the above post this one still is non-firing. Trasnferable Dewats are registered and as such it can be reactivated. There were two different ways Dewats can transfer; one is for free...I forget at the moment but I think it is on a form 5. The other is a deactivated live gun. That means it is registered as a live gun but just does not fire. All you have to do with this one is make it work again. The form 5 guns need to have a $200 tax paid to reactivate them if I recall correct...been so long since I have messed with registered dewats....just not as many around as there used to be.
 

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Rory, you need this beltfed, projectiles can be made on a CNC lathe. It is a registered Dewat so once you get it you can file the form to reactivate it with your $200 check, no transfer cost to you since it's a dewat, just the paperwork.

The biggest problem is the cases and the electronic ignition, I am sure both can be overcome but that would probably be the biggest issue.

Sure beats a Maxim
 

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ok so forgive me if the question sounds dumb but the whole dewat issue confuses me a bit.

dewat = deactivated wartime trophy. these used to be ok and you could fill the barrels and such right? but not any more?

now was this registered at some point and made operational? just kind of confused about the transferable part. so with the new barrel does it work? are their non dd rounds available for this, can you reload your own?


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The history of Dewats is long and confusing so I won't go into it much, but basically up until 1968 machineguns could be deactivated, imported, and registered tax free. They were in the registery as a legal machinegun, but the owner didn't have to pay the $200 since the gun was deactivated. This was a big deal since the $200 tax was often more than the gun was worth. In the early days, they would just remove a few parts on the rare guns or maybe weld up the chamber and call it a dewat. Toward the end, they got harsher by welding the chamber, drilling and pinning the barrel, welding the barrel to the receiver, etc. This one is an early dewat where they just torched the chamber, removed the sear assembly and feed tray.

I was able to get a couple of sear assemblies from crash recovered guns and rebuilt one functioning unit which is on the gun now. The only thing this gun needs to make it live is an approved form 1 to register it as a live gun (with $200 tax), unscrew the torched barrel and screw the new one in place.

You can hand feed single rounds as is, but to fire it in full auto, you really need to find or build a new feed tray. Cases and links are available in small quantities, but you will probably want to turn projectiles. It is a really long projectile (see attached picture) and none of the standard 30mm will work unless you are hand feeding singles. I assume you could use the 20mm Vulcan electric primers, but I haven't tried it.
 

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...indentured servent ain't so bad....

Yeah Rory....I can just see Brian and Larry working their hearts out to get this thing running full blast...!!!! They would do it just for the bang and the noise level. I can see both those guys drooling right now. Call me when you get it working...LOL.....I'll load the shells....
 

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why couldn't it be a machinegun? as long as i didn't use rounds with a payload... wouldn't it be the same as a machinegun that chambers the .55? isn't the dhsk larger than the .50 or is that just the length that is longer than the 50 bmg?


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