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You know what seems so odd about all of this? In picking Palin, Mccain is not trying to compromise by having a moderate. Mccain being the ultra moderate himself has picked someone who is very conservative. Over the past couple months Mccain has seemed to of made a transformation. It's like he could see what it was that he needed to do to win this election, and that was to cater more to the conservative side.

It feels odd actually thinking positively for once about our nations future. It's odd to see Obama retreating for once. It feels strange because we as conservatives have always had to pick the lesser of two evils. Now with Mccain having Palin as his VP I don't have to feel that way. I mean as much as I had a hard time swallowing voting for Mccain, Palin totally makes up for that and it feels good for once.
 

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TruTu a lot of people are wondering that .
Palin is even better than Bush or any one of the so called Conservatives.
The odd thing is that the Media is saying he did it for the woman's vote , that isn't true he has been after her for some time now.
The Dems are showing their true colors to their base ,today on the Hillary forum they were cheering for Sarah ,then the site went down.
This guy saying he had thousands of emails from people pissed off about this ,,, BS.
Wake up Liberals ,your leaders are silencing your voices and lieing to you.
Is this really the kind of America you want ???
 

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I agree completely. The thing that gets me is that the commentators from the Beltway keep saying that McCain has to get the independent votes, and they write off the base. You'd think they would have studied history. Let's count the recent moderate Republicans running for President. Gerald Ford: He couldn't win even as the incumbent. George H W Bush: Got elected on Reagan's coattails and blew it by showing his true, moderate colors, losing re election. Bob Dole: War hero status not enough to overcome obvious moderate record. All these cases demonstrated that a Republican wins when he campaigns as a strong conservative. See: Ronald Reagan. Even G W Bush at least campaigned and was generally perceived as conservative, even if he has not always governed as one. He knew how to play his hand. McCain seems to have learned that. No way he can get enough independents to make up for losing a significant portion of the base. The members on this board have made that case quite clearly, but the Beltway and NY media types just don't get it.
 

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I feel the same way...

What's going to be really interesting (assuming MaCain/Palin are elected) will be how she handles her job as President of the Senate. Wouldn't it be wonderful if she shamed them into making good decisions after all of the bad ones? As strong willed as she is, I think she'll take on the "good old boys" and make them look like the idiot's that we all know they are.
 

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CNN was on saying the Obama camp was laughing that MCcain picked her. Saying that he did Obama a service because she has no experience Yeah right!! talk about the pot calling the kettle black, you have to know Obama is shaking in his boots right now. He is a hypocrite if he brings up anything saying she has no experience.
 

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Another thing Trutu ,McCain had to know in by picking her she would up stage him
She didnt mean to ,People just like her.
But look at his face in the press photos ,he is frowning , like he is thinking this is his party.
I don't think neither the Reps .or the Dems thought the out cry of joy would be this large.
I think all of Washington is afraid now , Sarah is really now in town.
 

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I agree completely. The thing that gets me is that the commentators from the Beltway keep saying that McCain has to get the independent votes, and they write off the base.
McCain might win by drawing independent voters to him if he had picked a moderate to liberal VP. The problem is that the base then stays home. If they stay home more Republican seats are lost in the house and senate. If the base turns out in record numbers this causes a ground swell that will yield more seats that go to Republicans.
I can see why the media has a problem with this. I would guess that if 10-15% of the base stays home you lose elections. Especially, in house races where in many districts a few percentage points in voter turn out will determine an election.
 

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Another thing Trutu ,McCain had to know in by picking her she would up stage him.
I suspect he did know, and is using her as his "front". Let's face it, McCain was not all that inspiring. He needed someone with charisma to draw attention and excite voters, and that's what he's gotten. I think you'll see him using her in exactly that capacity for the rest of the election. It's kind of a "bait and switch" tactic. He'll offer us Palin, but in reality he's the one who'll get elected. Not that she won't have any impact as VP - but it will be a lot less than what he has as pres.


I don't think neither the Reps or the Dems thought the out cry of joy would be this large. I think all of Washington is afraid now, Sarah is really now in town.
You're right. I think both parties are surprised at the excitement being shown. But you know what that tells us? That the existing batch of candidates were dull and unexciting, despite the gloss they are trying to cover themselves with. The general reaction to Pallin (on both sides) is due the the fact that FINALLY there's an interesting candidate to think about. Again, it's too bad it's only at the VP level. We really need to have a good president, not a vice president under a lack-luster president.
 

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Finally, everything the media wanted and said about Obama (sexy, smart, charismatic, a born leader, etc) HAS shown up, but it wasn't Obama, that would be found in Sarah, and in the next 2 months a bunch of Dems will be crossing party lines for this woman, because deep down they know that Obama is NOT the best this country has to offer.

This is probably the smartest move McCain has made to date. :D
 

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True Bill ,but that has never worked with her , she was always point to someone in the rear until she took it to the race for Governor.
If her past is an indicator , Sarah really doesent do anything to the people she is working for , They do it to themselves because she immediatly is the peoples choice.
Sometimes i wonder if the talk about her screwing up her opponents is because of this.
If McCain does not act like the base wants him to , and he becomes the same old McCain again ,then you will see sparks.
I dont understand the media down playing this ,every web site or forum you go to is the same tone we see here .
Not just firearms , NASCAR, Fishing , all the way to home brewing and speed Boats.
When she won in Alaska she was sort of a no name ,two years later she has an 80% approval rating and some say it is 90%.
 

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Allow me to throw a cut and paste article in here to make a point...

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Scholars question Palin credentials

John McCain was aiming to make history with his pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and historians say he succeeded.

Presidential scholars say she appears to be the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era.

So unconventional was McCain’s choice that it left students of the presidency literally “stunned,” in the words of Joel Goldstein, a St. Louis University law professor and scholar of the vice presidency. “Being governor of a small state for less than two years is not consistent with the normal criteria for determining who’s of presidential caliber,” said Goldstein.

“I think she is the most inexperienced person on a major party ticket in modern history,” said presidential historian Matthew Dallek.

That includes Spiro T. Agnew, Richard Nixon’s first vice president, who was governor of a medium-sized state, Maryland, for two years, and before that, executive of suburban Baltimore County, the expansive jurisdiction that borders and exceeds in population the city of Baltimore.

It also includes George H.W. Bush’s vice president, Indiana Sen. Dan Quayle, who had served in the House and Senate for 12 years before taking office. And it also includes New York Rep. Geraldine Ferraro, who served three terms in the House before Walter Mondale chose her in 1984 as the first woman candidate on a major party ticket.

“It would be one thing if she had only been governor for a year and a half, but prior to that she had not had major experience in public life,” said Dallek of Palin. “The fact that he would have to go to somebody who is clearly unqualified to be president makes Obama look like an elder statesman.”

And Alaska is a much smaller state than Illinois, the political base of Barack Obama, whom Republicans have repeatedly criticized for being inexperienced, having served nearly four years in the U.S. Senate after eight in the Illinois state Senate.

“Not to belittle Alaska, but it’s different than the basket of issues you deal with in big, dynamic states.” Dallek said.

Palin has no experience in national office. Before becoming governor in December 2006, she served as a council member and mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, which had a population of slightly more than 5,000 during her time in office.

Brad Blakeman, who ran the 1988 Republican convention for GOP nominee George H.W. Bush, turned the experience question on its head, suggesting accomplishments in office mean more than time accrued.

“Here’s a governor who may have served two years, but her accomplishments are worth eight,” said Blakeman, citing Palin's work as governor on ethics reform and an Alaska oil pipeline. “She’s got as much experience for being vice president as Barack does to be president.”

But other students of presidential history said that In choosing Palin as his running mate, McCain has reached back to a time when few actually seriously contended that the vice president should be demonstrably prepared to assume the presidency from day one.

If elected vice president, Palin would appear to have the least amount of experience in federal office or as a governor since John W. Kern, Democrat William Jennings Bryan’s 1908 running mate, who had served for four years in the Indiana state Senate and then four more as city solicitor of Indianapolis. The Democratic ticket lost to Republican standard bearer William Howard Taft and running mate James S. Sherman by an Electoral College spread of 321-162.

More conventionally in modern times, running mates could boast decades of experience in Washington, from ballot box winners like Dick Cheney, Al Gore, the elder Bush and Mondale to also-rans such as Jack Kemp, Lloyd Bentsen and Joseph I. Lieberman.

These super-credentialed candidates were sometimes chosen, like Joe Biden, to shore up the resumes of candidates with little or no time in Washington, such as Jimmy Carter (Mondale) Bill Clinton (Gore) and Michael Dukakis (Bentsen.)

Palin, on the other hand, is a total “wild card,” said Stanford historian David Kennedy.

“If she had been around for two terms as governor — or been a senator — it would have been an incredible choice,” said historian Doris Kearns Goodwin. “Who else could he have found who appealed to the conservative base … and as someone who was a reformer?”

That’s not to say Palin will be a dud on the campaign trail.

But out-of-the-box picks in recent years have not usually worked out too well for the top of the ticket. Consider independent candidate Ross Perot’s 1992 running mate, former Navy Adm. James Stockdale, who famously asked at the vice presidential debate with Gore and Quayle, “Who am I, why am I here?”

“He took the wind out of Perot’s sails, and Perot could have done even better” than the 19 percent he garnered, Dallek said.

A bad running mate pick can even put a successful presidential ticket in question. The 1988 Bush-Quayle victory over Dukakis and Bentsen came in spite of Quayle’s frequent campaign trail gaffes and questions about his military service in the Vietnam era and other controversies. Bush handlers largely relegated Quayle to small town audiences that would attract little media attention.

“Quayle — it threw off the momentum for some weeks,” said Goodwin. “One has to hope for McCain’s sake that [Palin] has been fully vetted.”

“The first thing that hits me,” said Stephen Hess of the Brookings Institution," is that it suggests that John McCain is a gambler. This is a high roller decision.”

“The next thing you have to ask yourself: Is it worrisome to have a gambler in the Oval Office? That’s an important question," he said, “perhaps more important than anything else today.”

Update: After reading this article, the McCain campaign issued the following statement: "The authors quote four scholars attacking Gov. Palin's fitness for the office of Vice President. Among them, David Kennedy is a maxed out Obama donor, Joel Goldstein is also an Obama donor, and Doris Kearns Goodwin has donated exclusively to Democrats this cycle. Finally, Matthew Dallek is a former speech writer for Dick Gephardt. This is not a story about scholars questioning Governor Palin's credentials so much as partisan Democrats who would find a reason to disqualify or discount any nominee put forward by Senator McCain."

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The Dems fear this women and it shows. But not only the Dems. I've seen several articles where so called Republicans are showing fear as well. Not that she could blow it for McCain, but because they could win. I smell the good old boy network in the RNC pondering what to do. Stand by their man or gamble themselves and sacrafice him/her and look forward to 2012. The power of corruption.

As a side note, I did something today that I've never done in my 50 years of crawling/walking on this planet. I made a campaign donation. I further intend to get up off my ass and take to the field in support of McCain/Palin.

It's been said before, but I'll humbly borrow some famous words who's time have come once more...

"It's time for all good men to come to the aid of their country."


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But other students of presidential history said that In choosing Palin as his running mate, McCain has reached back to a time when few actually seriously contended that the vice president should be demonstrably prepared to assume the presidency from day one.
And when was the vice president NOT seriously thought of as a possible replacement for the president? Jack Kennedy was not by any means the first president to die in office. Sounds like the critic here has a pretty short-term view of our history. He also seems to miss the fact that some of our founding fathers had less political experience than Palin - and they did a pretty decent job.


The Dems fear this women and it shows. But not only the Dems. I've seen several articles where so called Republicans are showing fear as well. Not that she could blow it for McCain, but because they could win. I smell the good old boy network in the RNC pondering what to do. Stand by their man or gamble themselves and sacrafice him/her and look forward to 2012. The power of corruption.
Yes, I agree with you. The criticisms sounded more than a little nervous. They probably wouldn't have been so nervous if she didn't draw an immediate ground swell of support. Critics and old school politicians like predictability. They like to be able to point to stodgy old institutions and politicians and predict that they will continue in their stodgy old ways. And Sarah Palin is a threat to their ability to predict.

I admit that there are some aspects of Palin's views that are at odds with mine, so I'm not going to call her the perfect candidate - not by a long shot. But she's certainly interesting and has some great possibilities. I'm willing to listen to what she says in the next couple months and take her seriously. The panic over "heartbeat away from the presidency" doesn't bother me so much - it's not like she'll have to take over running the country the day after the elections. And if she did, she'd be well supported and advised. And at her worst - I don't think she could screw things up as much as the current pres has. At least she appears to hold the Constitution in some regard.

Well, the next couple months should be an interesting time. At the very least, Palin has energized the campaign.
 

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Thank you Dave , you further expose the ludicrous insanity now griping this nation.
Small State ? 53 Miles From Russia , and why out of all the worlds leaders does Vladimir Putin say that she is one of the very few he respects?
Why does Putin respect Palin ? because she like him are favored by the people.
Palin is not a good old boy nor a lawyer , they are afraid because she is better than they are and they know it.
Putin said publicly ( She will be missed ,and i hope i can work with her replacement as i have with Sarah).
What experiencing does she need ,the same as they have ?
Communist 101 , Put them on a par with Mexico so they beg us for food ?
Or is it because she didn't come from the royalty or prestigious law firms that they did ?
But McCain did this to get the woman vote ,BS , McCain may not last his term ,and he said months ago that he would want someone to take over that wasn't like any of them.
What are they afraid of ? that this Woman inspires patriotism , that she is pro gun , or that her rapid rise to office and her popularity across the board shows that most Americans think they suck.
 

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I think its just that phalanx, America has been waiting for so long since Reagan for someone to give them hope. For now she is just a V.P but who knows what will happen to Mccain. We also have to think about our future candidates, it could be Sarah Palin in 2012. The outcry of joy comes a lot from the fact that she is a fresh faced conservative. She hasn't been corrupted by all the Rino's that abound. America for once has something to be excited about in this race. Who was it that posted that Electile dysfunction thread? was it Rory? Well I imagine that picture has changed some. :D
 

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Sarah's SECRET WEAPON.......................

All the usual suspects that make up the Beltway Club, are more than a little concerned with what they are going to do about her candidacy. So, all they are talking about is what she DOESN'T HAVE, everything they think she must have, in order to be taken seriously, and be allowed to join their club. But that's typical of the complete and utter DISCONNECT that exists between the ruling ELITES and all the rest of "We The Great Unwashed".

While we all exist in the same space and time, we do so, at best, in "Parallel Universe". They have no idea of what ours is like, nor do we of theirs. If we knew the truth of their plans for our future, we'd all have long ago marched on the castle with pitchforks and torches ablaze. And if they only knew what so many of us see in the crystal ball, they'd be headed for the nearest Airport in a dead run.

And along comes the Sarah Palin phenomenon. Her entrance into this election, has turned all the conventional wisdom concerning American politics, on it's collective ear. Now, McCain's decision to go with her was part and parcel a purely "TACTICAL" move on his own behalf, born of Tactical Brilliance, but mostly driven by Necessity. Like Patton at the Bulge, he has done that which the other side was sure he absolutely wouldn't or couldn't do. McCain figured, quite correctly, that he had nothing to loose picking her, he knew his campaign was going to be an uphill fight all the way. And if this puts him over the top, he gets all the marbles. If it doesn't, so what, he took the best shot he was going to get.

The old saying about "Politics Makes for Strange Bedfellows" certainly rings true in this situation. "Popeye" and the "Barracuda" ain't exactly marching to the beat of the same drummer by any means. You can bet the ranch on that. I am sure McCain thinks he can keep her under "Control" if they win, but he may well have "More horse than he can ride" to deal with. Her candidacy is already well on it's way to upstaging his, and even the Marxist Media is now casting this race in the context of Obongo Vs. the Barracuda.


But, as always, there are those pesky "UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES" that have come to bear on this little Swaree. This election is fast turning into a "REFERENDUM" between the same old group of Crooks, Liars, Political Hacks, Marxist Media, Tribe of Soros Powerbrokers, etal, Vs. for lack of a better description, "JOAN of ARC le USA"!! Her "SECRET WEAPON" is simply that she is a "FOR REAL AMERICAN PATRIOT" no strings attached, and not at all timid about it. To a lot of folks out here, she is the epitome of "MOM, HOME, and APPLE PIE"!! And "THAT" is something "NONE" of them are, nor could ever be, and if she is as smart as I think she is, she won't let them take that away from her. People will vote "FOR HER" based on this alone and nothing else.

Whether or not she becomes the Vice President of "THIS" United States of America, as we know it, she has a bright political future. Should the Marxist OBONGOLESE wing of the Govenment Party prevail, she will be very high on the list for PRESIDENT of the "NEW" United States of America that will inevitably emerge from what follows.

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Emory, I hope you don't mind, but I'm compelled to borrow your posting to share with others. Those words of yours need to be heard! Credits to you.
 

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Most of you here understand what some of us are talking about, I must say Emory just laid it all out, to where even a (brain-dead, disgusted and confused with their own party) Dem or Independent could understand WHY we need this woman in charge. On a joking note, Sarah COULD be the modern day Joan of Arc, certainly brave enough to carry the fight straight to D.C. and give us REAL national change, I only hope IF she hears the voice of God she doesn't wind up like Joan did, the DNC already wants her burned at the stake. :eek:
 

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BR ,that has started to be my concern also , Washington is known for suicides ,plane crashes , and accidents .
I was going to tell Emory last night he did a good article ,but my loyalty's are well known so i left it to the board.
The one thing that may prevent her from having an accident would be that she would become a martyr , she is very well loved in some circles.
A story i saw myself : you know how you go into a gun store some place and the really fat slob know it all is in there, with the mouth from hell ,talking about how he was in the Special Forces , knows all the Seal teams by name ,jumped out of planes in the 82nd AB . And he knows everything about every gun ever made and has shot them all.
Right after Palin had kicked the crap out of some oil company Executives i walked into a store like that ,and this guy was saying that she was going to end up dead for messing with those guys . The owner of the store told him that they two would end up dead if they tried that.
Mr. Mall Ninja said that he knew all the guys who worked for that oil Exec. and they were ex Rangers and 82nd and they could take on this entire state.
The whole state huh ???:rolleyes: ( store Owner ).
Ninja : Yea and they will find that Bit$h floating belly up some place.
And if she Fs with Bush the 82nd alone will come in here and help with that.
I said time to go !!! we no more got out the door than Mr Ninja, all 300 lbs of him came after us in a horizontal position onto the street.
 
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