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>Actually, there is a relatively new group -- the NFATC -- supposedly working closely between the industry and the BATF. <

NFATCA was put together in 2005 as an industry and collector interest group. I have attended many of their meetings and know all of the people who make up the "management". For several prior to that, years Ken Hutchins showed exceptional ability and motivation to make some changes at ATF/NFA, and along with the move from DC to WV, he instituted many reforms. His willingness, along with several other management personnel, to come to Knob Creek and talk with MG owners and people in the business created an opening for organization of a group to try to maintain a dialogue with various personnel in ATF. NFATCA grew out of this period and continues to try to influence ATF. While I believe that most efforts to communicate with regulatory personnel at all levels is basically a good idea, I have yeat to see that NFATCA has had any influence with ATF in regard to altering policies that are in ATF's self-interest. Although the organization has been involved with various informational schemes as well as some legal policy changes, these changes were either completely in the interest of ATF or acceptable to AFT lawyers to reduce ATF legal liability, and not because NFATCA initiated them or designed them. Policy at ATF/NFA is dictated by DOJ lawyers, period. An example is the recent change in the policy regarding bluing and parkerizing of NFA controlled items. For many, many years, these processes could be done by any FFL on an NFA weapon. ATF changed the policy to require that all NFA weapons undergoing these processes must be handled by a licensed manufacturer and newly designated them as "manufacturing processes". No comprehensible reason was given, nor were there any legal problems within the industry from the process being done by regular FFLs. DOJ lwayers had discovered that in the fifties or sixties some letters describing the processes as "manufacturing processes", and so they decided that they should require them to be done only by licensed manufacturers. NFATCA had absolutely no effect on the effort to reverse the change in policy despite several meetings of industry people and collectors with ATF personnel in DC to discuss the ramifications of the needless change. At this meeting, a major NFA industry player offered to have the DOJ lawyers present who were behind the change, visit his facility at his expense to show them how the processes worked and their role in the firearms industry. None ever even responded to his invitation. The silence was deafening and the policy change stands despite being a major distupriion of the industry. This is typical. ATF is never going to 'cooperate" with the NFA community or industry in any meanigful manner.
At present ATF wants to designate any ammunition over .50 cal US as a controlled explosive, requiring an exlposives FFL for any person possessing such ammunition. This is the perfect challenge to NFATCA, but so far, from what I've been able to find out, they have nothing to report about any ability to affect this major change in policy and law. I am not optimistic. there are other policy changes that NFATCA has had an opportunity to affect but have done nothing or been iineffective.
The are excellent at promoting the organization and caliiming all sorts of successes, but as a seriously interested, as well as invested, party and fulltime CII with quite a few personal attempts to make some changes in policy at ATF through other channels, I am not especially impressed with any claims of influence with ATF by anyone outside of the agency.
Unfortunately, comments from various personnel that I know within the agency, making changes and reforms by internal means and mechanisms are just not in the books for even the most sensible of reforms. May it is too soon to tell with NFATCA, and in the long run there is alwyas hope, but there are major issues that ATF is contemplating that will have serious and detrimental consequences for the hobby and industry, so NFATCA has some big chances to prove itself.
I would add that the most influential and effective efforts to institute reforms, either voluntarily or by force, have been accomplished by individuals, and not organizations. In my opinion, unfortunately, that is what the record indicates.

Bob Naess
 
Instead of banning all these firearms and parts they should ban the assholes that are criminals. Sorry pieces of **** are sorry pieces of **** because crime pays for them. When it don't pay they won't try to play. Put their asses in prison and make them work to pay their own way. No work no heat, a/c, FOOD, water NOTHING. If they starve, **** em! Make life miserable for them just like they do for everyone else...

Robert
 
Instead of banning all these firearms and parts they should ban the assholes that are criminals. Sorry pieces of **** are sorry pieces of **** because crime pays for them. When it don't pay they won't try to play. Put their asses in prison and make them work to pay their own way. No work no heat, a/c, FOOD, water NOTHING. If they starve, **** em! Make life miserable for them just like they do for everyone else...

Robert
Ban the plea bargain. Problem solved.

Ryland
 
Ban the plea bargain. Problem solved.

Ryland
yeah that would be a healthy start to it. i still think they should be made to work for everything just not get paid. hell that way the crooks could add some cash to the prison system. if you get some really good stuff for them to do maybe the prison system would be self supporting in and about itself maybe even turn a profit.. if the crook don't work he don't eat or have heat or air no TV no nothing.....give em some incentive to work.. maybe it will translate out into the real world if they ever get out... make em a slave to the state to pay their way...

robert
 
I have thought for many years of the best way to solve the prison over population problem. I think that their should be a program for those on death row or serving life terms. You always hear of these psycho killers "finding God" or repenting for their sins...Well if they truely want to make thinks right why not offer them a deal. Here is my idea:
Take the cash amount of what it will cost the prison to keep a maximum security inmate for one year. let's say $50,000 for tha sake of easy math. Multiply that by say 40 years for the average time spent in prison. take the $2,000,000 it would cost the prison to house one inmate and divide it by 4. You end up with $500,000. Now give the inmate the option to truely make a difference to the victims families by an "opt out" agreement. This would be a contract the prisoner would sign to allow the facility to terminate them early and as a compensation the $500,000 would be sent to the victims families or a non-profit organization for victims families. Then on a given day of every month terminate a whole cell block. Problem solved!!! more room in the prisons and a lasting effect on the ones that are left in them! and they would save 75%!!! You could even throw in a roulet wheel and spin it on the last Friday of every month...Click click click DING! Cell block C is the winner for early termination! and then just pump in some carbon dioxide from the oil burner into the block. Lights out. problem solved. My thought anyway. -NG

I think this post is officially hyjacked!
 
ATF is never going to 'cooperate" with the NFA community or industry in any meanigful manner... The are excellent at promoting the organization and caliiming all sorts of successes, but as a seriously interested, as well as invested, party and fulltime CII with quite a few personal attempts to make some changes in policy at ATF through other channels, I am not especially impressed with any claims of influence with ATF by anyone outside of the agency.

Bob Naess
OK then... check here...

http://www.nfatca.org/

Also... seems they've finally figured out that there IS a need for a lower priced membership. They've officially joined the "ball cap & t-shirt" organizations.
 
Take the cash amount of what it will cost the prison to keep a maximum security inmate for one year. let's say $50,000 for tha sake of easy math. Multiply that by say 40 years for the average time spent in prison. take the $2,000,000 it would cost the prison to house one inmate and divide it by 4. You end up with $500,000. Now give the inmate the option to truely make a difference to the victims families by an "opt out" agreement. This would be a contract the prisoner would sign to allow the facility to terminate them early and as a compensation the $500,000 would be sent to the victims families or a non-profit organization for victims families. Then on a given day of every month terminate a whole cell block. Problem solved!!! more room in the prisons and a lasting effect on the ones that are left in them! and they would save 75%!!! You could even throw in a roulet wheel and spin it on the last Friday of every month...Click click click DING! Cell block C is the winner for early termination! and then just pump in some carbon dioxide from the oil burner into the block. Lights out. problem solved. My thought anyway. -NG

I think this post is officially hyjacked!
I kinda like this...
 
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