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Looking at picking up an AK built on a Novak Spud receiver. Believe it to be russian parts kit only because the receiver has russian markings for safe and semi, although i am no expert on the different variations of kits. Has Fixed side folder stock on it. The receiver is the NDS1KP. Whats a fair price. Will try to get some pictures of it up.
 
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As usual it depends who built it as if it was built by someone knowledigible(well built, it will be safe). Does it have the original military barrel, generally collectors will pay more for matched serial numbered Russian kits built guns. If you are looking for a shooter(nothing wrong with shooters) there are alot of $300 AK's for sale. Look at how well the rivets were installed, Nodak AK recievers are excellent quality for builds.
 
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Luke has all the right questions and concerns.

IMHO, there's just too many variables to say what price would be fair. Really need some pictures to help out. It could be a real POS Bubba build for all I know at this time. You could end up with something that will cost more to fix than it will ever be worth. Even something unsafe to fire that you couldn't really sell someone else as is without at least letting them know what's wrong with it.

Russian selector markings mean nothing wrt the value of the built up rifle or anything else for that matter. If it's a NDS receiver are the selector markings laser etched by NDS or are they stamped markings.

Photos please. Pics of inside of receiver (top cover off, bolt carrier, bolt removed) showing rivets and how well they're set. Do you know who did the build? Does it headspace correctly? These are things we need to know.
 
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kvfc_241 said:
Looking at picking up an AK built on a Novak Spud receiver. Believe it to be russian parts kit only because the receiver has russian markings for safe and semi, although i am no expert on the different variations of kits. Has Fixed side folder stock on it. The receiver is the NDS1KP. Whats a fair price. Will try to get some pictures of it up.
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As Illya said - receiver markings mean nothing. It is a US made receiver and you could have special markings or serial #s put on them. The one 1KP I bought from them I had them use the serial # that was on the rest of the parts (Bulgy 74). That is an excellent receiver. Can't say about the quality of build without some pictures. I seriously doubt it is a russian parts kit - those are very rare and bring a premium price. More likely it is a Romi or Bulgy. If it has a big G on the side of the rear sight block it is a Romi guard kit (these are the most common kits out there). You didn't say what caliber it was.
 
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Trunion on right side has a triangle with what appears to be an arrow pointing up followed by 1982 S-AM35** Build looks to be very well done, rivits are all tight with uniform heads. All parts that have numbers on them match the number on the trunion. I can email pics to someone if they can put them up but i'm having trouble uploading them to the sight. Only mark i can find on the stock is a small A with funny looking legs on it. BBL appears to be original to the gun. Tapco firing mechanism installed. USA made gas piston. Very nicely done finish.
 
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That looks like the proof mark of the Izhevsk factory - Russia. Is it 7.62 or 5.45? Doesn't matter, if the rivets look uniform and tight and the receiver isn't warped I would grab it at $300. Does the bolt match the trunnion? Personally, I would grab it for 300 even if the receiver was trashed if the numbers all matched and the bore was good. There isn't a lot of Russian guns around except for the Saigas.
 
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Judging strickly by the info on the serial number, appears to be a 1982 Romy G parts rifle. The telling sign is the S in the part number series. Also, the manufacturers trunnion marking for Romanian AKs is similiar to the Izhevsk AK in that they both have a triangle. PM sent
 
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Serial number on trunion matches the bolt, carrier, rear sight, topcover, upper handgaurd/gas tube, bbl, and recoil spring guide. Bore and rifling are beautiful. Receiver is straight as an arrow, rivets are nice and tight. Picked it up for under $250. It is 7.62x39. My next question is since it has the us made gas piston, fire control parts, and receiver can i unfix the stock to make it back into a folder? Thanks for the info, Kirk
 
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Generally on an AK sheet metal receiver you are safe with 6 US made parts 3 would be the FCG, 1 for the US gas piston and 1 for the receiver is 5. Now if the pistol grip or front muzzle nut are US made that would put you over the top. I really am not aware of US made folding stocks that was probably not part of the US part count originally so creating a folder should not be problem. Actually the law states not a certain amount of foreign parts(I think 10 it's been few years since I was building the cheap in price kits) can be in the completed gun. Milled receivers count is different because the trunnion and receiver count as 1 part vs two on a sheet metal gun, No threads on the front barrel will not allow a foreign muzzle nut so that is another was to reduce the parts count. Assuming that the count is correct turning it into a folding stock should not be problem. Mag, floor plate and it's follower count for 3 parts.
 
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Think i need to clarify. It has a folding stock on it now that i believe is original to the gun but whoever assembled it welded the push release for the stock so that it cannot be folded without removing the weld. So am i legally aloud to remove the weld and return the stock to a functional folder
 
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For $250 you definitely got your monies worth

I still say it's Romanian (with Romy wood), but with a Bulgy (or a copy of Bulgy) folder that was welded in the open position. You will need a spring and a pin for the rear trunnion if you want it to function correctly. It looks to be a well built rifle from what I can see in the photos.

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Here's your photos. You need to find a photo server to load your photos on in order to be able to post photos on 1919a4.com. I use photobucket and it's free.

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Your pictures are very fuzzy. That proof mark does not look like the one in the link you posted. I agree with Illya that the date looks like Romy and is in the date range of the most common Romy imports. The proof mark in the link you gave has the feathers on the arrow - Russian. From what I can make out from your picture is an arrow with no feathers on it - Romy (empty triangle is also Romy). You didn't get hurt - a good Romy kit goes for 250 without the receiver, FCG or other 922 parts. As far as making the stock folding - know the laws where you are. It may have been welded to keep it from being classed as an assult weapon, to meet overall length, local/state laws, etc.
 
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Picture is fuzzy but in person the Triange definately has an up pointing arrow with the split feathers on the bottom like the one in the link. couldn't get a very detailed picture of it due to size.
 
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