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Police Chief Arrested for Signing 90 Law Letters for Machine Guns / Lying to the ATF

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#21 · (Edited)
toolmanm203 said:
Totally irresponsible and these are the people that do nothing but harm to our hobby. It should be interesting to see where the money was coming from for all these purchases.
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He used his own money to buy MGs on law letters he wrote, then flipped the guns and deposited the funds into his personal and business bank accounts.
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#24 ·
Here's the indictment. Guy Fd himself in the A.


Criminal conspiracy, bribery, misuse & theft of police dept property and funds, perjury, using the police dept to launder money, tax fraud, abusing a civil servants position for personal gain etc etc. The only thing unfair is reporters insinuating the whole guns could have been going to cartels, gangs, etc.

This isn't some hapless innocent fudd who did a silly little thing and got all trampled by the evil Government. This guy was a crooked cop, knew exactly what he was doing, and put it on Facebook and Gunbroker. When we say "law abiding gun owners", this guy doesn't get included. Or do we we change the slogan to "we're gun owners who mostly follow the law, unless they don't like that law, or can make a bunch of money"?

Thanks to him, millions of Americans doing Pikachoo face when they find out about the law letter game, and start finding out their local sheriff and his dealer friends also have crew served weapons for fun, profit, and favors.
 
#26 · (Edited)
Hershmeister said:
It will be interesting to see how his defense employs the recent Bruen ruling


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In a just world, it would rule the law letters and the entire Hughes Amendment of the FOPA unconstitutional. But this will never go that far. This case will never see a court room. This guy knows he Fd himself. He'll plea. ATF will keep all the post 86 MGS, confiscate the inventory of the stores implicated, take away the FFLs, convict him on some felony with a sentence of probation. I'm sure he retired from his police dept. before any charges were brought allowing him his full pension. He'll live out his final years a convicted felon and never legally own another firearm.
 
#28 ·
Previous court rulings show you cannot use the 2nd Amendment as a defense in NFA cases.
It has been tried many times, and the defendant never gains any ground.
Its why states can choose to write laws to ban or restrict NFA ownership in their state.
Ownership is allowed / regulated under Federal law, but has no Constitutional protections under the Second Amendment.
Don't take my word on this (I personally don't agree with it, a really sharp firearms attorney walked me thru it ), look up the case law that is available on the web.
In this case here its about intent and the gent in question signing his name on a Federal document agreeing that the material was to be used for a specific purpose and then doing something else with it.
Not the first time a dealer or PD responsible party has been caught / prosecuted for buying L-E guns / samples to resell or immediately cut up into parts kits with barrels and retailed on GunBroker or some place similiar.
Interesting point, this case first hit the news cycle some months ago when the Chief of Police for Adair was suspended when the investigation started, it didn't get much notice then.
 
#29 ·
A cop using his departments letterhead to buy cheap guns for resale is the same as a congressman buying a piece of real estate because he knows that it’s going to be used in a government project with a upcoming bump in value.

Don’t wrap this in the second amendment anymore than you’d wrap that congressman in the right to own property. This cop is a shitbag. “Innocent until proven guilty” only applies in court, and this isn’t court, so that dog won’t hunt here either.

With all the paperwork required to make an NFA/FFL/PD scam like this work, he is screwed. Getting out of this isn’t an option.
 
#31 ·
PortHolio said:
Here's the indictment. Guy Fd himself in the A.


Criminal conspiracy, bribery, misuse & theft of police dept property and funds, perjury, using the police dept to launder money, tax fraud, abusing a civil servants position for personal gain etc etc. The only thing unfair is reporters insinuating the whole guns could have been going to cartels, gangs, etc.

This isn't some hapless innocent fudd who did a silly little thing and got all trampled by the evil Government. This guy was a crooked cop, knew exactly what he was doing, and put it on Facebook and Gunbroker. When we say "law abiding gun owners", this guy doesn't get included. Or do we we change the slogan to "we're gun owners who mostly follow the law, unless they don't like that law, or can make a bunch of money"?

Thanks to him, millions of Americans doing Pikachoo face when they find out about the law letter game, and start finding out their local sheriff and his dealer friends also have crew served weapons for fun, profit, and favors.
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Clearly you didn't read the very indictment you linked because he was not charged with Criminal Conspiracy. He was not charged with Bribery. He was not charged with misuse or theft of police department property or funds. He did not perjure himself. He was not charged with money laundering. He was not charged with tax fraud.

Here is what he was charged with:
Count 1 - Conspiracy to Make False Statements to and Defraud the ATF
Counts 2-3 - False Statements to the ATF- Purchase Law Letters
Counts 4-16 - False Statements to the ATF- Demonstration Law Letters
Counts 17-19 - False Statements to the ATF - Demonstration Law Letters (Wendt along with Williams)
Count 20 - lllegal Possession of Machine Gun

Your entire post is hyperbole.
 
#32 ·
WGTactical said:
That's the spirit. Rather than go after the laws that prohibit "honest law abiding people and other business owners from purchasing" let's use opportunities like this to exploit these laws to jail more folks.

Priceless...
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Your zeal for the subject matter is clouding your judgement. No one is applauding the application of " ünfair gun laws". We are applauding the application of MORAL and ETHICAL laws. The police chief committed FRAUD and misused his position of trust in the community. If he were running an illegal drug ring and selling drugs out of his evidence room would you have the same opinion since the war on drugs has been such a waste of time and money? Wrong is wrong. Period. It doesn't matter if you don't like the rules.
 
#34 ·
Cal.BAR said:
Your zeal for the subject matter is clouding your judgement. No one is applauding the application of " ünfair gun laws". We are applauding the application of MORAL and ETHICAL laws. The police chief committed FRAUD and misused his position of trust in the community. If he were running an illegal drug ring and selling drugs out of his evidence room would you have the same opinion since the war on drugs has been such a waste of time and money? Wrong is wrong. Period. It doesn't matter if you don't like the rules.
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Because running an illegal drug ring is comparable to the right to keep and bear...
Gotcha

No wonder we're in the shape we are, only getting worse. But to your point, I like rules and I also know that one rule follows another and then another, etc., etc.
 
#37 ·
WGTactical said:
Because running an illegal drug ring is comparable to the right to keep and bear...
Gotcha

No wonder we're in the shape we are, only getting worse. But to your point, I like rules and I also know that one rule follows another and then another, etc., etc.
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FINALLY we are getting somewhere with you. Say it after me. "rules are rules". Illegal is illegal. It doesn't matter if you don't particularly like them.

Betraying the trust of your constiuants is ILLEGAL whether selling drugs from your evidence room or selling guns illegally.
 
#38 ·
You know who I feel sorry for? I bet the ATF goes knocking on doors to get those guns back. If I’m right then the buyers will be out that money and be left with a piece of paper. The only recourse will be to sue the cop and I’m pretty sure the ATF already took his assets.
 
#39 ·
fuzzsquid said:
You know who I feel sorry for? I bet the ATF goes knocking on doors to get those guns back. If I’m right then the buyers will be out that money and be left with a piece of paper. The only recourse will be to sue the cop and I’m pretty sure the ATF already took his assets.
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I hope you’re not right on this. Thats a lot of tied up capitol
 
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